TSAT Telesat Corporation

TSX
$50.64

Telesat Corporation Q2 F2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Thursday, August 13, 2026

AI Conference Call Analysis

Sign in or subscribe to read.
Jordan
Conference Operator
Thank you for standing by. My name is Jordan and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the Telesat second quarter 2026 financial results call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there'll be a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask questions during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you'd like to withdraw your question, Press star one again. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to James Ratcliffe, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
James Ratcliffe
Vice President, Investor Relations
Thank you, Jordan. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Earlier this morning, we filed our quarterly report for the period ending June 30th, 2026 on Form 6K with the SEC and on CDAR+. Our remarks today may contain forward-looking statements. There are risks that TELUSAT's actual results may differ materially from the results contemplated by the forward-looking statements as a result of known and unknown risks and uncertainty. For a discussion of known risks, please see TELUSAT's annual report and updates filed with the SEC. TELUSAT assumes no responsibility to update or revise these forward-looking statements. I would now like to turn the call over to Dan Goldberg, TELUSAT's President and Chief Executive Officer.
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
Okay, thanks James, and good morning everyone. Thanks for joining us. I'll start with a few words about the business, and then I'll hand the call over to Donald to speak to the numbers in more detail, and we'll then open the call up to questions. Just last week, we announced we signed the first contract in the ESCAPE program, and we're very pleased to have secured that key strategic opportunity to provide such a critical capability to the Canadian Armed Forces. to support the range of important missions and interests that they have and that Canada has in the Arctic. With that contract announced and an expanded Lightspeed constellation fully funded for an accelerated rollout, we're very well positioned to execute on the wide range of additional opportunities for Lightspeed that we're now engaged on, including in the defense and government segments, allowing us to build on our already substantial $5.6 billion Telesat Lightspeed contractual backlog. Our strong confidence in our future prospects caused us to raise our publicly available revenue and EBITDA forecast for Lightspeed, which I hope you all saw last week. In addition to the strong commercial traction we're getting, we've also been making excellent progress on the technical and operations fronts for Lightspeed. On the constellation development side of things, we've signed a firm contract with MDA for 69 additional satellites, bringing the fully funded and committed constellation size to 225 satellites. We've secured almost all the launch capacity we need and expect to sign an agreement for the final Falcon 9 rocket required to complete the deployment of the 225 satellite constellation in the near future. and we continue to expect global commercial availability in the first quarter of 2028. In light of the expansion of the Constellation, you may have noticed in today's earnings release that we updated our 2026 Lightspeed Total Investment Guidance for 2026, which includes both OPEX and CAPEX associated with delivering the global network. Our prior guidance was one to 1.2 billion Canadian dollars of investment this year, which we've now brought up to 1.3 to 1.5 billion Canadian dollars, a $300 million increase to the bottom and top end of the range. In our geo segment, First quarter results came in largely as we had expected with most of the year-over-year decline coming from non-renewals and lower revenue renewals in our broadcast activities and to a lesser extent in reductions in services for fixed broadband customers. That was partially offset by new contracts for broadband services for commercial airline broadband connectivity. As you may have noticed, our geo backlog increased during the quarter. do primarily to a meaningful term extension of one of our broadcast video contracts, evidence of our continued efforts to maximize the value of our existing geo satellites, lock in long term commitments where we can to improve cash flow visibility in the legacy business, all while retaining careful cost controls to mitigate the impact of ongoing revenue pressures in the geo segment. During the quarter, Two of our geosatellites, ANAC F4 and Telstar 14R, reached the end of their useful lives and were retired from service. While we've been able to transfer nearly half the traffic from these satellites on the certain of our remaining geosatellites, the decommissioning of these satellites will still be a headwind for the balance of this year and into the future. We had anticipated this impact. We knew that these satellites were going to be retired this year. when we provided our geo-segment guidance for 2026 and we're reiterating that revenue and EBITDA guidance today. Staying with our geo-segment, we were pleased to see late last month the FCC's report in order to repurpose 160 megahertz of C-band satellite spectrum for terrestrial wireless use. Under the terms of the report in order, Telesat is due to receive 189 million US dollars in incentive payments for our role in freeing up that valuable spectrum. We're actively working to develop a plan to ensure that the spectrum is cleared prior to the transition deadlines in 2030 and 2031. We successfully cleared C-band spectrum in the prior FCC C-band reallocation proceeding and we're confident we'll be successful this time as well. Lastly, for Telesat GEO, we've entered into a new term loan agreement with a third party lender for 120 million US dollars to be used for general corporate purposes. These new funds will provide Telesat with greater financial resources to support our legacy business. We remain heavily focused on the upcoming Telesat GeoDebt maturities and achieving a fair and balanced consensual outcome for all of our stakeholders. So with that, I'll hand over to Donald. We'll speak to the numbers in more detail, and then we'll open the call up to questions.
Donald
Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Dan, and good morning, everyone. My prepared remark today will focus on highlights from this morning's press release and filing. In the second quarter of 2026, We reported consolidated revenue of $79 million, adjusted EBDA of $22 million, and net loss of $559 million. Consolidated net loss for the quarter was impacted by an increase of $475 million in the fair value of TELUSAT lightspeed warrants and the weakening of Canadian dollars during the quarter impacting the value of our US dollar denominated debt. The warrants are now valued at more than $1.3 billion, reflecting the expansion of the Constellation to 225 satellites and our ability to accelerate the execution of our plan. Interest expense for the Corps totaled $50 million, down $54 million in the second quarter of 2025, due to a lower interest rate on our term loan. Interest relating to the Telesat Lightspeed totaling $18 million during the second quarter of 2026 was capitalized to the project, compared to $8 million for the same period last year, as the amount outstanding on the Telesat Lightspeed financing has increased to $974 million at the end of the quarter, including capitalized interest of $54 million. Our geo-segment results were in line with our expectations during Q2. We generated $78 million in revenue, down 26% or $28 million compared to the same period last year. For the year, revenue of our geo-business segment was $104 million, also down 26% from last year. The majority of the revenue declined during the quarter and for the year was in our broadcast segment, driven by the expiration of contract for service on our NIMIC 4 satellite in 2025, and lower capacity and rate as part of the renewal of contract on NIMIC 5. In our enterprise segment, the decline was primarily driven by lower revenue from our Explorer contract renewed in October 2025. These declines were partially offset by new contracts added in 2025 in our aviation vertical by our global commercial team. The utilization of our satellite was 60% at the end of Q2, I'll note that this utilization figure benefits from the retirement of our Telstar-14R and ANIC-F4 satellites during the quarter. If we adjust for these retirements, utilization declines about 2 percentage points from the end of June. The backlog of our geo segment rose to $900 million at the end of June, due in large part to the extension of one of our broadcast service contracts for five years during the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for our geo-segment was $43 million for the second quarter, down $37 million compared to last year, driven by lower revenue and higher expense related to our debt refinancing process. Our second quarter 2026 results include approximately $14 million in costs related to our debt refinancing, up approximately $7 million compared to the same period last year. Adjusting for these expenses, our geo-adjusted EBDA would have been $57 million during the period, down 30% from last year. For the year, adjusted EBDA totaled $119 million after excluding expenses relating to our refinancing process. As a result of this performance, for the first half of 2026, we are reiterating our geo-business segment guidance for the year of revenue of $300 to $320 million and adjusted EBITDA of $210 to $230 million, excluding debt refinancing and related litigation expenditure. Turning to the cash and liquidity position of our GEO business segment, cash at the end of Q2 was approximately $160 million, and we announced today we borrowed US $120 million under a new term loan, providing meaningful additional cash for TELUSA GEO. We invested $165 million in the Telesatellite Speed Program during the second quarter of 2026, including $145 million in capital expenditure and $20 million in non-capitalized labor and other grain costs, for a total investment of $336 million this year. Given the accelerated expansion of the Constellation deployment from 156 to 225 satellites, We announced last week, we now expect full-year investment in the program to be between $1.3 to $1.5 billion, up from $1 to $1.2 billion guidance we provided earlier this year, with the incremental investment funded by pre-service milestone payment to be received from the Government of Canada. In the Leo segment, we ended the quarter with over $200 million in cash on hand. This cash, combined with $1.6 billion in availability under our Telesat Lightspeed financing, US $325 million from our vendor financing, and US $1.5 billion in milestone payment related to the ESCAPE contract, is expected to fully fund the Telesat Lightspeed project, including US $500 million of contingencies, until it achieves global commercial service around the end of Q1 of 2028. Our backlog for lightspeed increased significantly to approximately 5.6 billion with the increase coming largely from the 15-year initial escape contract we announced last week. We also signed a five-year contract with Northwest Dell in early Q2 for rural broadband connectivity in Canada. Before I conclude my prepared remark, I would like to confirm that we are in compliance with all covenants in our credit agreements and indenture I'll now turn the call back to you for the Q&A. Thank you.
Jordan
Conference Operator
As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question in today's call, simply press start followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. You'll be limited to one question and one follow-up question. We'll take a brief moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Caleb Henry from Quilty Space. Your line is now live.
Caleb Henry
Analyst, Quilty Space
Hi, guys. Okay, first question is actually on the future expansion of the Lightspeed Constellation. On the previous call, it was mentioned that there's going to be X in UHF band, which your partner puts MDA on. Can you talk about the role that Telesat is playing as a partner there? Is that capacity that you also anticipate being able to sell, or is Telesat mainly managing the Constellation on behalf of the Canadian government?
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
Hey Caleb, good morning and thanks for the question. So maybe just a quick step back on escape and we've talked a little bit about this before. It's all about Arctic satellite communications capability. There's a military K-band component of that and as we've announced before, that's going to be provided using light speed and we've expanded the constellation to meet those requirements. So that's number one. Number two is there will be also a UHF and X-band capability that is expected to be in MEO. That is a constellation that will be primed by MDA and Telesat will be a subcontractor to MDA. And so there's still more work that needs to be done on that, more work with the government of Canada, D&D, you know, the Canadian Air Force to define exactly what that capability is going to look like and contracts need to be in place. We've got a teaming agreement with MDA on that. Telesat and MDA have been already, and we announced this a while ago, named as kind of the strategic partners for that capability. It's not my expectation that we're going to end up owning that MEO constellation. Would we have some ability to resell excess capacity on it? I don't know. That's not something that we've explored at this point in time. And it's going to take It's going to take a little while from here. We've got to do definition work and whatnot. I think at a minimum, what Telesat will be doing in connection with the MEO Constellation, again, as a subcontractor to MDA, is providing network integration expertise, ground segment expertise, overall escape integration. You've got the MLKA, you've got the UHF, you've got the X-Band, that's all got to operate as an integrated network. So in any event, I do think it's a meaningful opportunity for Telesat. When we talked about the escape contract that we announced just last week, we were pretty clear that that's an initial contract. We expect follow-on contracts probably next year for even still the military KA band. It'll be more about network integration, user terminals, and other ground segment. And that we expect to be a meaningful set of contracts for us. And then on MEO, that work's going to take probably a couple of years to get in place. But here again, our expectation is we'll have a long-term role in supporting that constellation and that represents a very material revenue opportunity for the company. So I hope that's helpful.
Caleb Henry
Analyst, Quilty Space
That is. And then my one follow-up, also harking back to last week's call, the presentation had a couple of mentions of Relay as an emerging service area. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about that The forecast for relay revenue and sort of when you see that turning on in some of the drivers.
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, so when we talk about space relay, that's really about leveraging the light speed constellation to communicate with other satellites. Those could be satellites, Earth Observation, for instance, and we have the ability to to connect those satellites into our global backbone. So many of those satellites today, they're taking images, they're collecting data, but the user, the end user, has to wait for the satellite to pass over a gateway that that data gets downloaded, and only then is it available to the end user. We can... get that data back to the users in real time. If that satellite is connected to the light speed constellation, it can collect the data, it can instantly relay that data to light speed, and we can terminate that traffic anywhere on the face of the earth in milliseconds. And so we think that's very powerful. We're already doing work with NASA to demonstrate this capability and we've disclosed that NASA contract before and we've been engaged with quite a few quite a few potential customers for this. Earth observation companies, other governments, you know, governments have a lot of those satellites in orbit collecting valuable data with, you know, and they want access to that information as fast as possible. So when, you know, oh, and I should also say that our optical intersatellite links meet the U.S. government's SDA standard. And so, And so that opens up, you know, we think a big opportunity because other operators will have their optical links also meeting those standards, which means we can pass traffic to one another. So, you know, and you've seen our forecast that revenue, you know, ramps. I don't have it in front of me. It sort of ramps gradually. but we're bullish on that opportunity for defense applications, for civil applications. We think there's great promise there. And certainly when you hear others talk about data centers in space, You know, that's another opportunity. If there are data centers in space, you got to get, you know, that it needs to be connected back to the earth. And so when we think about space relay, it covers a pretty wide range of applications that we're quite bullish on.
Jordan
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Edison Yu from Deutsche Bank. Your line is now live.
Caleb Henry
Analyst, Quilty Space
Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking our questions. First, I want to ask you about your latest thoughts regarding D2D. You probably saw, you know, MBA addressed, you know, the Space RAN proposal. Is that something that you would take part in? Have you had discussions around a potential role in operating such a constellation?
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
So I'd say this on D2D, and maybe the first thing I'd say is We're very, very focused right now on executing on Lightspeed. It's the biggest project in Telesat's history. It's the biggest space project in Canada's history. We see a huge opportunity there, but we need to stay focused on executing that, and we are. But that said, we're pretty well acquainted with the various projects Operators around the world and here in Canada are doing around D2D. We've had conversations with a number of parties about what role Telesat could potentially play in a D2D constellation. And so anyway, I won't offer any more specifics than that, other than to say it's not in any sense our principal area of focus. But opportunistically, if we can play a role in a D2D network where we can add value, that can be a creative to tell us that, doesn't distract us from our top priorities. Yeah, that's something that we would think about.
Caleb Henry
Analyst, Quilty Space
I understand. Wanted to also ask you, just going back to Lightspeed, obviously you put out those numbers, which were very positive. Can you maybe talk about the underlying assumptions a bit more? Outside of the big change in mix to government and military, did you have a lot of movement in terms of like the pricing assumptions, the price per bit, kind of, yeah, just can you maybe give kind of double click on just some of the underlying assumptions that went into those forecasts that may have changed versus, you know, three years ago.
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, I would say fundamentally there's certainly been, as you noted, a meaningful change in mix. When we first started down the path of light speed, the world, you know, was a pretty different place than it is today in these geopolitical shifts. and some of these conflicts that are ongoing around the world have opened up this, you know, very significant opportunity for defense and kind of sovereign requirements to respond to that and to respond to what the government of Canada was needing for their escape program. We changed our frequency plan to add the military KA band and so so in any event so so you know that uh in and of itself uh has a big impact on you know our expectations around revenue mix because obviously the milk ka is going to be used for those government, defense, and sovereignty applications. Beyond that, though, yeah, we updated all the assumptions, obviously, underpinning the plan with respect to pricing, with respect to take-up, with respect to geographic distribution and whatnot. But there were not, I would say, wholesale changes in terms of our expectations around the pricing environment. We know that the market for satellite-delivered broadband connectivity is going to be a competitive market. We always knew that. We've modeled downward price pressure over time throughout the plan. We did that previously. That's still embedded in our current plan. We sort of sharpened our pricing assumptions in some instances down, in some instances up. based on, you know, kind of the more current information that we have. So anyway, that's how we went about doing it. And yeah, I hope that was helpful.
Caleb Henry
Analyst, Quilty Space
Yeah. Thank you. If I could just sneak in just one financial one. Just in terms of the, you know, obviously you got the extra debt. Any update on when we can expect any sort of update on the near-term maturity, just in terms of the negotiations and what you think about that?
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, you know, here's what I'd say about that. And obviously, and everyone on this call knows it, you know, we're limited in terms of what we're able to say about the upcoming maturities But what I can say is it remains a key priority. It always has been throughout the year. Our focus working with our advisors is to reach a consensual outcome with the legacy lenders prior to the maturities coming due. That's something that we're very focused on and doing it in a way that's fair and balanced for all the stakeholders of the business, including obviously the lenders. So that's what our focus has been. Our focus remains that. Just given the nature of these kinds of processes, there's only so much that we can say about it. And obviously, as soon as we have a material update that we can share, we will. But that's kind of the status at this point.
Jordan
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Dave McFadgen from ATB. Your line is live.
Dave McFadgen
Analyst, ATB Capital Markets
Oh, hi, guys. Yeah, a couple of questions, if I may. So I see that you increased the Warren valuation quite a bit. I was wondering if you could tell us where you're actually valuing BO at to get to that Warren valuation. And then secondly, When do you think you would be able to announce some more defense customers like some other NATO countries buying some capacity on light speed?
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
Thank you. Thanks for the questions, Dave. So on trying to extrapolate the value of light speed from the warrant value, We're not going to do that for folks. But you're absolutely right, though. The value of the warrants has gone up by more than 50%. That's totally a function of the fact that we got the escape contract done. We've got this very significant backlog now. on Lightspeed. We've been able to accelerate our expectations around revenue and EBITDA, take up commensurate with us accelerating the expansion of the Constellation. And so anyway, I mean, that's obviously a positive sign for the business. It's good news if you're a Canadian taxpayer because of the Government of Canada and the Government of Quebec have warrants in the Lightspeed project. Anyway, and I'm no sophisticated financial analyst. You are. You can probably, you know, working backwards, you know, make your own calculations about what that might imply for the value of light speed. But we're not going to do it for you. So that was one. And then on your question about further defense opportunities and when we'd be in a position to announce them, it's always tricky. You know, I mean, Escape itself, we laugh about this a little bit. We bid on that originally in 2008. We always knew it was a question of when and not a question of if. If someone had told me in 2008 it would take 18 years, I would have been surprised. But I don't expect the opportunities that we have in the pipeline for Lightspeed to take 18 years because given the nature of the world right now, the customers that we're talking to, they want this capability as soon as possible. And so we are having real meaningful concrete opportunities with I'd say you know sovereign customers about using Lightspeed. It's always hard to handicap just how long those things will take. My expectation is by the end of next year our backlog will be meaningfully higher because of My confidence, our confidence about converting things that we have in the pipeline today into firm, you know, take or pay contracts like Escape. You know, is it possible to get something more done by the end of this year, recognizing that, you know, we're already halfway through August? I don't know. Maybe. I wouldn't foreclose it, but I sure wouldn't you know Telegraph that we've got high conviction about doing that but we do have a higher conviction about getting that done between now again in the end of next year before you know Lightspeed even goes into full commercial service so so that's our expectation but I gotta say you know We never gave backlog guidance for this year. I think at most I would have said we expect, you know, backlog to be some multiples higher at the end of this year than it was, you know, at the beginning of this year. And there, you know, we're very pleased sitting here today having gotten escape. We signed the Northwest Telecontract. We have very positive significant opportunities still in the pipeline above and beyond the incremental meaningful opportunities with ESCAPE. So we are very bullish about our ability to meaningfully grow backlog from here even before we enter commercial service.
Dave McFadgen
Analyst, ATB Capital Markets
Would it be possible to squeeze one more in?
Jordan
Conference Operator
Sure.
Dave McFadgen
Analyst, ATB Capital Markets
So I saw you got that additional loan and the GEO stub. What's the collateral for that additional loan?
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
So I'd say this, like we're not going to get into the weeds of it on this call, but I will say at the highest level under our covenant package in the, and I'm just talking about in the legacy borrowing, so The term loan and the notes that we have out there. We obviously had scope to raise this incremental funding. And so we were pleased to get it done. It just gives us more financial resources to support the legacy business, which here again, I think is a good thing for the business. And I will say this also, we've provided some disclosure about this loan in the release and in the financial statements. And in the fullness of time, we'll file the loan agreement as well. And so, you know, that'll be out there.
Jordan
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Mayor Yagi from Scotiabank. Your line is live.
Mayer Yagi
Analyst, Scotiabank
Great. Thank you for taking my question. I have a few. Maybe I'll start with the escape contract that you signed. Maybe if we can go back. It was great to see the contract being finalized. I wanted to ask you specifically the new satellites that you are going to deploy following that contract being signed. are they in any way different technologically speaking in terms of frequencies that they operate under versus the initial 156?
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
No, thanks for the question. No, they're identical to the first 156. And so, and you know, what's good about that is they're going to just follow immediately down the assembly line from the 156. So it means that nothing about adding those 69 additional satellites is going to slow down in any way the delivery of those first 156, which is why we're standing behind are our target entry date in terms of when we go into global service. And then those next 69 just follow right on from the initial 156. So yeah, all 225 will be identical.
Mayer Yagi
Analyst, Scotiabank
Okay, okay. So So given this, I was trying to figure out, you know, when I look at the revenue run rate of the program beyond the initial Spike in cash payments up front. I was wondering why do you need the new satellites because I was trying to figure out the capacity that the new contract is going to consume out of your existing 156 satellites on the MLK band which is 25% of your spectrum allocation. It doesn't seem to me like it's going to use up much of that 25% anyway. So why did we move in the direction of putting up more satellites right away instead of waiting after commercial launch and then putting up more satellites?
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, no, it's a great question. And there are a couple of reasons. So one, when we, you know, converted the frequency plan for the first 156, absolutely the right thing to do, given all the opportunities we see with defense users, and how much demand we expect there will be for this very advanced military K-band capability. So we're excited about that. But at the same time, we took 25% of the frequencies that were going to be available for our commercial customers sort of off the market. And we see huge opportunities there and we didn't want to reduce our capacity that could support those commercial verticals like Broadband connectivity for the airline industry, broadband connectivity for the maritime sector, broadband connectivity for rural broadband, enterprise users around the world and the like. And so what was great about accelerating the expansion of the satellites, because we Our plans were always to have more satellites than 156. We were just going to fund the expansion satellites with the cash flow from the first 156. So it wasn't a view that we won't see demand for that capacity. We just didn't have enough money to grow the constellation as much as we wanted to. and so with this deal with Escape, we're able to restore the 25% of commercial capacity that we had diverted for the defense market, number one. Two, accelerate the satellites that we always need that we always knew the market would need. And then I'd say lastly, just having more satellites in the constellation means more resiliency, more redundancy, better performance of the network. So it was just a big win-win-win.
Jordan
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Walter Paycheck from LightShed. Your line is live.
Walter Paycheck
Analyst, LightShed Partners
Thanks. Hey, Dan. Just want to go to the expansion and specifically Falcon 9. Are these contracted? Because I know SpaceX has talked about stop taking third-party bookings beyond 28, and I assume that that expansion will go beyond 28. So I'm just curious if these things are contracted and whether they have to be on Falcon 9, or are you going to look for other launch opportunities?
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
So to launch the 225 satellites, we estimate we need 15 rockets. We already have 14 under contract with SpaceX. We had sort of three for lack of a better term, surplus rockets that we didn't need for the 156. But when we added the 69, we needed those three. So those got kind of brought forward and then we needed one more. And so that, and one more, Falcon 9. And we like using Falcon 9. Super reliable. They obviously SpaceX launches at a very rapid cadence. We're very focused on getting the Constellation deployed as quickly as possible. So that's the right launch vehicle for for light speed. And so we needed one more rocket. So we've been in touch with are friends at SpaceX. They've agreed to make that rocket available to us. We're getting the launch services agreement in place to do that. But I'd also note, it's our expectation that all of our launches for all 225 satellites will get done by the end of 2028. So that's the plan.
Walter Paycheck
Analyst, LightShed Partners
That's good to know you're locked and loaded. I know I've asked this question many times over the last couple of years, so I suspect I know the answer, but I'm just going to ask again because there's just a lot of talk in the market about SpaceX out looking for additional spectrum. There's companies out there that own spectrum, their stocks are really moving. Any kind of, let's call it requests from potential customers for you to layer in additional spectrum to the satellites that you've developed before you actually get these launches going?
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
So these first 225, we're done. And by done, I mean the design's done, the hardware's been ordered, and satellites are already at MDA's new factory. We're going hard down the path. And these are great satellites. I mean, it's and with the right frequency plan with the military cave in, we feel really good about that. So we don't have any scope at this point in time without taking some massive delay, which we will not do. to make modifications to these 225. So the ship has sailed on those for future satellites. And our expectation is absolutely the light speed constellation is going to grow over time. That'll be a response to We're already doing a fair amount of work around here as to what our next generation of light speed satellites will look like. Could those accommodate other frequency bands, hosted payloads? Absolutely, but not these first 225.
Jordan
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of James Ratzer from New Street Research. Your line is now live.
James Ratzer
Analyst, New Street Research
Yes, great. Yeah, Dan, thanks very much for taking the question. So I've got a couple, please. Just the first one was just coming back, if we can, to the refinancing coming up. I think you mentioned you wanted to be kind of fair, balanced, and consensual. I was reading, though, the kind of court document from July 27th, and that seemed to suggest that you might also be considering a chapter 11 process as well so I was wondering if you could just kind of respond to that is that something you are seriously thinking about at this stage as one outcome and secondly just coming on to the 120 million dollars of new financing you've just received can you just let us know where in the stack that ranks is it kind of and Harry Passu with the senior debt or the unsecured. So just be interested to know where that sits in the stack. Many thanks.
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
Okay, thanks, James. The filing, I'm not sure what you're referencing to, what you're referencing in terms of, you know, drawing a conclusion that we're entertaining, you know, a bankruptcy filing. That's not the case at all. Our focus is strongly... Just to say, our focus is strongly on refinancing the debt prior to the maturities, achieving a consensual outcome. That's the focus. We're spending a lot of time and a lot of energy to achieve that outcome, number one. And then on the $120 million, where it fits in, here again, like... On this call this morning, the plan is not to go into the weeds on that. As I said, we'll share more information about that. We've said that the borrowings were made within a non-guarantor subsidiary of Telesat Geo. So we're over there in the legacy debt silo. and as I said also the loan agreement will get filed and made available and so for now we'll leave it at that.
James Ratzer
Analyst, New Street Research
Got it. You can't say, Dan, whether it was linked to the new C-band proceeds that you know you're going to be receiving or is that something that's separate from the new debt you just raised?
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, so there we, you're right, I won't say, but I will note that obviously having that FCC order come out and tell us that being eligible for those proceeds subject to our meeting our obligations to clear that spectrum on time, that's obviously a very accretive development for the business. Got it. No, that's clear. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Jordan
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Chris Quilty from Quilty Space. Your line is live
Chris Quilty
Analyst, Quilty Space
Thanks. Just a follow-up on the ESCAPE program. Is that going to require an incremental ground segment or is that something that, you know, the existing light-speed ground segment you can sort of lease back to the customer? And just more broadly, where do you sit in terms of the ground segment build-out? And I think you had some past deliberations around bringing in outside financing or not for the ground segment. Where do you stand on that?
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, Chris, thanks. We're making really good progress on rolling out the ground segment. So we're talking about landing stations here. So, you know, we have, I'm looking at my technical colleague, at least three or four landing stations already under development here in Canada. and we've been, you know, installing, you know, the big gateway antennas, doing testing, that's going well. We've announced that we've got some ground stations being built for us in Australia. We did the deal with Orange in France at their Bersone Teleport, so that is being That's the word I'm looking for. Commissioned. Thank you, Michel. Commissioned right now. So we're making really good progress there. We've been doing testing on the antennas and we gave Intellian a big contract to build the landing station antennas. And so we've been commissioning those and doing the testing. So that's all going very positively. As to working with third parties to support the landing stations, yeah, I would say absolutely that's something that we're receptive to, and it's something that we've always done. Even our geostationary, the ground stations around the world that support our geo-satellites, some of those we own, including some in Canada, one in the U.S., but many of them You know, we're relying on third party teleports to provide the service with light speed. And by the way, this isn't unique to Telesat. It's what everyone does, including Amazon, Starlink, OneWeb, I believe, certainly, you know, SES, we all make use of. Third-party teleports. We might own some of the equipment that sits at those third-party teleports. So they kind of host that equipment for us and provide us a service. And we're not thinking about it any differently with respect to Lightspeed. And there's some real benefits if we work with third-party providers. We don't need to own teleports all over the world. That wouldn't be a good use, I think, of our capital or our and so we've already are working with some third parties in Australia, Europe I mentioned, we're having some conversations with folks in Asia because we need landing stations there too and we're receptive to doing something I'd say kind of broader, more comprehensive with one or more third parties if that's something that would accelerate our rollout, if that were financially accretive always, of course, provided that they can provide the mission-critical services we need and do it in a secure environment, given the nature of the traffic that we'll be supporting on Lightspeed.
Chris Quilty
Analyst, Quilty Space
And is that something that would likely happen this year or slipping out into next year?
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
Well, we're, I mean, we're rolling out landing stations. We have to to support our upcoming launches. and so, you know, we've got at least, you know, eight plus teleports, landing stations under development, various stages right now. Some of them are already done. Some of them are in flight. We'll be doing more even over the course of this year and so, yeah, you know, we expect to be able to share more information about our plans for that. Great, thank you. Thank you.
Jordan
Conference Operator
That concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the call over to Dan Goldberg for closing remarks.
Dan Goldberg
President & Chief Executive Officer
Okay. Well, operator, thank you very much. Maybe I just say in sum, I mean, we're about two-thirds of the way through the year, and we feel very good about how the business is performing, how we're executing, where we reiterated our Guidance for GEO. Last week we announced the largest contract in Telesat's history with the ESCAPE contract, the pipeline for Light Speed is very, very significant. We, you know, $5.6 billion of backlog at this point in time with Light Speed and between the further opportunities with Escape, the other sovereign opportunities that we have and commercial opportunities that we have in the pipeline, we are, I'd say, more bullish than ever about our prospects. The constellation has expanded. It's accelerated. It's fully funded. We have half a billion dollars, U.S. dollars in contingency. support Lightspeed, which we're very focused on not needing to dip into. The geo business actually is performing pretty well year to date. We actually grew our backlog in geo this past quarter, which we haven't done for a while. I think that shows some of the resiliency around that business and improved cash flow visibility when we're able to grow it. Certainly the announcement by the FCC recently on the CBAN process and tell us that being eligible for 189 million U.S. dollars of proceeds on the back of the 344 million in proceeds that we received from the earlier proceeding, which gives us confidence that we'll secure this 189. I think we end Q2 and head into the rest of the year really optimistic and bullish about where the business is going and our prospects. So in any event, thank you all for joining us this morning, and we look forward to chatting with you when we issue our third quarter numbers. So thank you, operator.
Jordan
Conference Operator
This concludes today's meeting. You may now disconnect.