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Hello everyone, thank you for joining us and welcome to the DPC Holdings Report's second quarter 2026 results. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. If you have logged in via the webcast, please submit your questions using the Q&A button. I will now hand the conference over to Lucy Sharma, head of investor relations. Please go ahead.
Lucy Sharma
Head of Investor Relations
Thank you, Alexandra. Good morning and welcome to DPC Holdings second quarter 2026 results conference call. I'm Lucy Sharma, responsible for investor relations. I'm joined by Mike Quinn, Chief Executive Officer and David Egan, Chief Financial Officer. Mike and David will run through a short presentation outlining our results, strategic updates and outlook. We will then open the call for questions. Before I hand over, I'd like to note that today's discussion will include forward-looking statements regarding our future performance, plans and expectations. Information about factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements can be found in today's presentation, our earnings release and our SEC filings. During the presentation, we refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures with reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures available in the earnings release issued today, as well as in the appendix to the presentation. Unless otherwise indicated, all performance comparisons are on a year-over-year basis and all numbers will be in US dollars. With that, I'd like to hand the call over to Mike and slide three.
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Great, thanks, Lucy, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to DPC Holdings' second quarter 2026 earnings call. I'm delighted to be reporting our first set of results as a listed company and to welcome many new shareholders alongside our existing ones who are as cited as we are for the growth opportunities and potential to generate significant further value. The listing was a major achievement in Doncaster's history, but our priorities remain the same. And as our second quarter results show, we're continuing to deliver record profitable growth. Let's move on to the operational and strategic highlights of the second quarter, ended June 28th, 2026 on slide four. We've delivered record, sorry, we have delivered record revenue in adjusted EBITDA. Revenue grew 34% year on year to $269 million. Engine products increased 39%, growing 49% in Europe and 29% in North America. Adjusted EBITDA grew 33% to $48 million. Revenue and adjusted EBITDA in the quarter were ahead of expectations. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 17.8% in the quarter, broadly in line with last year, but well ahead from quarter one. As you can see, we're flagging a 60 basis point dilution to the adjusted EBITDA margin due to metal inflation in the quarter. Metal elements as traded commodities see price fluctuations, and so our commercial contracts are structured for metal pass-through protection. This is a normal practice for us, and we've always passed through inflation. Recently, we've seen some metals, especially hafnium, experience elevated cost increases, which have been more pronounced than normal, resulting in a higher than expected pass-through quantum. Hafnium is used largely within our IGT business. Passing this through to our customers meant there was no impact on our EBITDA, but it did slightly dilute the reported margin. Thank you very much. During the quarter, we signed our fourth strategic customer partnership with an aerospace OEM, which underpins the building of a new Greenfield super alloy site in Alabama. Lastly, we are initiating guidance for the 20 to 26 full year. We are on track to deliver significant long-term value creation. On to slide five. For those of you who don't know us, DonCast is a specialist manufacturer of precision castings and super alloys that are highly engineered, used in mission-critical applications within the hot zone of aerospace engines and industrial gas turbines. We operate in substantial and growing markets of aerospace and IGT that are benefiting from long-term structural unprecedented demand. We have deep technical capabilities and proprietary metallurgy experience. We're vertically reintegrating, making our own super-alloys, providing us with the supply, shorter lead times, and internalizing margin. On the customer front, we are a trusted supplier of major aero and IGT OEMs and have differentiated strategic customer partnerships we shall expand on in a minute. We are one of a small number of scale suppliers capable of meeting the technical qualification and capacity requirements of major aerospace and IGT OEMs. Those requirements create significant barriers to entry and high switching costs. And now post the IPO, we have a strong balance sheet, which will support our investment in organic and inorganic growth and operational improvements. We have a long track record working with some of the leading names in both aerospace and IGTN markets, and you will recognize a lot of the customer logos on our slide. To summarize, we are well positioned for future growth supported by strong OEM relationships. But don't just listen to me, look at our customer support for our strategic partnerships. Moving to slide six. These are long-term agreements that provide customers with dedicated production capacity while giving Doncaster's enhanced commercial terms, such as longer dated LTAs, committed volumes, accreted margins, and sometimes customer contributions towards capacity investments. In return, these partnerships enable us to secure larger portfolio-level awards and strengthen long-term revenue visibility. These provide OEMs with access to their own capacity, which we believe is differentiated within the industry. During the second quarter, we signed our fourth partnership with an Arrow OEM, which included long-dated multi-agreement LTAs of existing castings and superalloys, and volume commitments that underpin the building of a new superalloy greenfield facility in Alabama. This is exciting news for the group and for the wider industry as this brings super allied capacity into the casting supply chain. Today, we have four customer partnerships with two Aero and two IGT OEMs ranging in duration from five to 15 years in terms of LTA length. And each of these partnerships are margin accretive to our group. Each partnership is bespoke in nature and has resulted in contributions from the OEMs, whether that be capital contributions or capacity reservation contributions. In total, we estimate these four partnerships represent in excess of $200 million of our annual revenue, with full rate revenue beginning being delivered in 2029. This is $200 million plus in additional revenue and accretive to our base business. Continue to have an active pipeline of potential additional partnerships. We're building stronger relationships with our customers, and I believe that these strategic partnerships illustrate the confidence and support we have from our Aero and IGT OEMs. Moving on to slide 7, we expect to deliver material value creation through organic growth, operational improvements, long-term cash generation and investments. This is our long-term value creation model. We have many drivers of top-line growth, market demand, aftermarket, our LTAs and order backlog. The revenue generated from growing our capacity and value-based pricing. Moving on to margin, expansion is expected to come from volume, which drives operating leverage, value-based pricing and operational efficiencies. We expect to generate cash through profitable growth, capacity utilization and working capital efficiency. And lastly, we continue to invest in our capacity and our capital equipment. We expect to complement this with potential bolt-on acquisitions. Underpinning all of these drivers are our strategic customer partnerships, as we've talked about, which provide larger portfolio awards, a margin of creative, sometimes have cash or capital contributions and support our capacity investment through volume commitments. This is our long-term value creation model. We are passionate about this across Doncaster's. It is ingrained within our business model in every site and every function and every day. It is alive in our company and has become part of our DNA over the last six years. I'd like to pass you over to David now.
David Egan
Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. Moving to slide eight. This was a record quarter for Doncaster's. Revenue grew 34% year on year to $269 million, with strong growth in aerospace and IGT. The second quarter revenue growth included approximately four percentage points of growth from metal cost inflation pass through year on year. Metal cost inflation, as Mike mentioned, is the normal course of our industry. So our LTAs include metal cost inflation pass through clauses and our purchase order or spot business uses spot metal prices. The metal cost inflation is passed through to our customers. In the second quarter, this led to four percentage points of sales benefit and the dollar increase was passed through to cost of goods sold. There is no impact on adjusted EBITDA, but it did dilute the EBITDA margin by 60 basis points in the second quarter. Adjusted EBITDA grew 33% to $48 million. Revenue and adjusted EBITDA in the quarter were ahead of expectations. Adjusted EBITDA margin in the quarter was 17.8%, broadly in line with last year, but well ahead from quarter one. Engine products, both Europe and North America, grew revenue by 39% and EBITDA by 53%, a 210 basis point improvement in margin to 23.5%. And this was due to higher volumes and value-based pricing. Adjusted net income moved into profits. with 5.6 million during the second quarter against the 10.8 million loss in the prior year second quarter, giving adjusted EPS of five cents. We ended the quarter with a transaction adjusted net cash position of 118 million due to the IPO and private placement proceeds. Working capital increased in the quarter due to growth investment to support demand and the higher metal cost inflation pass through that I mentioned just previously. And we continued to invest in expanding our capacity and capabilities through capital expenditure programs. Moving to slide nine to look at our end market growth in the second quarter. Aerospace grew by 47% due to demand from engine structural castings and components from global passenger travel growth, aircraft backlogs, aging global fleet driving aftermarket revenue. IGT grew 42% reflecting global electricity demand growth with gas turbines critical for supporting energy needs and ensuring grid reliability for the integration of renewables. The transportation end market was flat. Moving on to our divisions, slide 10 reports our engine products business in Europe. Gross segment revenue grew 49%, driven by strong growth in the IGT end market, which accounts for approximately 75% of the division's revenue, including OEM build rates. EBITDA increased by 54%, with the margin improving 80 basis points to 24.2%, reflecting a drop-through rate of nearly 26%. We are continuing to invest across both our UK and German sites in support of our capacity expansion to accommodate increased customer demand. This includes the delivery of two strategic IGT customer partnerships, As a result, we expect CapEx to remain at elevated levels during this investment phase. Onto slide 11 and our Engine Products North America division. Gross segment revenue grew by 29% to $97 million, with strong growth in the aerospace end market, which accounts for 88% of the divisional revenue. This reflects increased output following capacity investments. The EBITDA margin grew 340 basis points to 22.6%, reflecting the operational leverage impact of the revenue increase, delivering a drop-through rate of 28%. We are continuing to invest across our sites in North America and Mexico in support of our capacity expansion to accommodate increased customer demand. This includes the delivery of two strategic aerospace customer partnerships. As a result, We expect CapEx to remain at an elevated level during this investment phase, which includes the building of a new Greenfield super alloy facility in Alabama. Moving on to slide 12, our Turbo Wheels business, which accounts for 19% of revenue and 3% of EBITDA. The division was negatively affected by poor performance from Evostud, our business marketed for sale. Gross segment revenue increased by 2%, but excluding Evostud, increased by 8% due to market share gains in a flat market and favorable mix. Adjusted EBITDA fell to $2 million, largely due to Evostud. Excluding EVO start, EBITDA fell 0.6 million with an EBITDA margin of 8%. And with that, I'll now hand you back to Mike to cover guidance.
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Great. Thanks, David. Moving to slide 13. So looking forward, we expect ongoing end market growth given the strong structural long-term demand drivers and significant supply backlogs in the two major end markets we serve. In the aerospace end market, global air travel is forecast to rise between 3% to 4% per annum for the next two decades. Fuel efficiency prioritization and record airline backlogs, with Boeing and Airbus sitting at over 15,000 aircraft orders. There's an aging global fleet, which is driving multi-year demand for replacement engine components and engine programs that last between 20 and 30 years. On the IGT side, electricity demand is growing globally, which the current grid infrastructure cannot accommodate. It's enhancing the demand for gas turbines to support power needs and is also critical for providing 24-7 baseload power generation for the integration of renewables. Looking at aftermarket demand, there is over 2 terawatts of industrial gas turbines installed globally that require maintenance and service. These are long-term structural growth drivers. Our growth assumptions are based on the fundamental increase in energy demand globally, together with the move away from oil and coal power generation. AI-driven demand is incremental. Moving to the outlook. Within this backdrop and looking at our growth and margin drivers, we are initiating guidance for our full year 2026 as follows. Revenue between 1 billion and 1.04 billion and adjusted EBITDA in the range of 182 and 187. Our guidance includes the impact of metal cost inflation pass-through on revenue. There is no impact on EBITDA, but as discussed, it does dilute the EBITDA margin. Stripping out year-on-year metal cost inflation pass-through would deliver an adjusted EBITDA margin of around 19% for both the lower and upper end of our adjusted EBITDA guidance. We have provided some key assumptions on the bottom of the slide to help with financial modelling. In summary, our growth rate continues to exceed the wider market driven by our specialist manufacturing capabilities and strong customer focus, driving larger portfolio level awards, extended contracts with improved commercial terms and our strategic customer partnerships. We are delivering margin improvements through operating leverage and higher volumes of value-based pricing. These strengths position DPC Holdings to deliver profitable growth, expand margins and significant long-term value creation. We have a long growth runway ahead of us and we are very excited about the opportunities in front of us. Our second quarter results show that we're on track to deliver our aspirations as we continue to ramp up capacity and drive growth supported by our customers. Thank you for your interest in Doncaster's. We will now turn the meeting over to questions.
Alexandra
Conference Operator
We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. If you have logged in via the webcast, please submit your questions using the Q&A button. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Penn Herbert with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Penn Herbert
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets
Yes, hi, good morning. Mike, David, and Lucy, congratulations on the nice results of this successful IPO. Maybe just to start, Mike or David, as we look at the incremental margins between the two respective segments, North America and Europe, can you just walk through the differences there, better drop-through obviously in North America, I'm guessing better aerospace exposure there, but maybe just help with the nuances between the respective segments on the drop-through and how we think about The drop through in incrementals in the second half of this year on a segment basis if possible.
David Egan
Chief Financial Officer
Sure, Ken. David here. So as we've said in the past, Europe is more predominantly IGT. The Americas is more predominantly aerospace. We have seen in Europe a number of our... LTA agreements in terms of pricing they were renegotiated. We've got several aerospace ones that will be renegotiated over the coming number of months and into next year. We see both segments having fairly equal opportunity both in terms of volume and also pricing and also efficiency gains which will then continue to drive the margin improvement going forward. So there isn't really anything fundamentally different between the two segments. Both of them have equal opportunity for margin growth.
Penn Herbert
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets
Thanks, David. Maybe just as a follow up, you talked through the process about adding incremental partnership agreements. Can you just give us an update on when the fifth or other agreements could potentially get announced or get put into place?
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, sure, Ken. Look, you know, as we did the roadshows, we talked about this engine, this strategic partnership engine or gate process that we put in place. If you can recall the three steps. So that first six to 12 months were in relation to negotiating the contract. Then we had a sort of two year time frame to build and operationalize it. And then you go into your ramp phase after that. Our goal was as each one of our strategic projects moves from one gate to the next, we would add one into the preceding gate. So we've just signed our fourth, you know, which is driving this super alloy facility. You know, we're very active on other strategic project discussions. We've got a strong pipeline. I mean, you guys monitor what's happened in the recent earnings from both the aerospace and the IGT guys. There's no slowdown in demand. We'd be pretty confident that we'll continue to progress our strategic projects. And the drumbeat we want to move to is, as we've talked about in the roadshows, if we could do one of these every year, that's about the rate at which we can ingest them because of the scale of them. So I see a bright future on the strategic project side.
Penn Herbert
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets
Thanks, Mike. I'll pass it back there. Thanks, Ken.
Alexandra
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Christine Liwang with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Christine Liwang
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
Good morning, everyone. And echoing what Ken said, congrats on the successful IPO. I guess, you know, I wanted to ask you guys about long term agreements in the past few years, you know, yourself and I think also your competitors. have been getting pretty good pricing increases as some of these LTAs expire. I was wondering, can you give some color regarding the magnitude of the pricing increases you've been able to get the past few years? And then also looking forward, can you give us a sense of the size of LTAs that are expiring this year and the next few years and how we should think about that in terms of the potential growth?
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Thanks Christine, this is Mike. We talked about this a little bit again on the roadshow. Obviously when we signed our LTAs back in 2021, a very different backdrop. Doncaster was starting the journey that we're on at the moment. Our pricing power was pretty poor. You know, you fast forward that to when these LTAs are rolling off 25, 26, 27. And, you know, the world has changed for us. We've got these two segments that are have long term structural demand. It's a very constrained supply chain. You know, we're able to command market pricing now from our LTAs. So, you know, we've been we've been pretty successful. We've we've you know, we've got double digit price increases on all our LTAs. You know, as I said before, I'm not going to say which double digit between 10 and 99, but we've been pretty successful. You know, the next round of LTAs, David mentioned it in the last conversation. You know, we've completed all of our IGT ones, two of our larger aerospace ones. will come up for renewal in the next 12 to 18 months. And again, I don't see anything changing with the supply constraint scenario at the moment, so we'd be pretty hopeful that we will continue on that trend.
David Egan
Chief Financial Officer
and just a follow-up. About 70% of our business is LTA, 30% is through spot pricing. So again, the 30% gives us opportunities on a regular basis to make sure that we can continue to move things forward where appropriate.
Christine Liwang
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
Super helpful. And then can you quantify the size of LTAs that are expiring in the next few years, annually if possible?
David Egan
Chief Financial Officer
So, As we've said, the majority of the IGT LTAs have been renewed over the last little while. We've got aerospace coming through a couple sort of in the latter half of the next 12 months or so. and, you know, that will continue to, you know, drive opportunities. We don't quantify the opportunity because, again, we are in active discussions and negotiation as we go through those and, you know, as we can update you, we'll update you accordingly.
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
I think, Christine, as Mike again, just to be, you know, just to be clear on this, right, we... Thank you for joining us. We just happen to have completed our RIGT ones the way they fell in 25 and in Q126. And it just turns out that our aerospace ones were a little bit longer and now they'll be in 27 and 28. And then the cycle just repeats.
Christine Liwang
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
Great. Super helpful. Thank you.
Alexandra
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Maggie Schooley with Rothschild. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Thank you.
Maggie Schooley
Analyst, Rothschild
I think one for me. David, it's probably for you and Mike. The IPO proceeds were quite a bit more than what the group was originally seeking.
Alexandra
Conference Operator
Can you
Maggie Schooley
Analyst, Rothschild
review for us how you're planning to deploy that further capital, particularly in organic investment or other project work that we can be thinking about over the next 12 to 18 months that could potentially move margins on quicker.
David Egan
Chief Financial Officer
So from a capital allocation, we're very focused on growth. As Mike called out in the presentation, we have that growth cycle, which also includes margin expansion, cash generation and investment. So we'll continue to invest organically into the business. That'll be through CapEx capacity and working capital to build that growth cycle. Equally, we see inorganic or digestibly sized bolt-on acquisition opportunities as part of our path for further growth as well. So they will be sort of the key levers of the capital deployment as we go forward.
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Thank you very much. Very strong vertical integration on our super alloys, but there are other areas that we'd like to strengthen. They're the two buckets that we'll evaluate. And again, not back to the old Doncasters, which manufactured everything. It's very much in our sweet spot of castings and super alloy in terms of buying businesses and then anything that strengthens the supply chain after that.
Maggie Schooley
Analyst, Rothschild
And if I can, just one more. Also, You know, during the IPO process, you talked a lot about, you know, the focus of this business was on execution and you do have a lot of capacity coming on board, in particular, the aerospace blades and veins capacity in Oxford. Can you explain to us or help us understand how you're de-risking that move into aftermarket aerospace blades and veins, either by, you know, who you hired or what are you doing? What should we be expecting? over, you know, through 2027 as you put that equipment in to help us understand how that process is going and de-risking that whole entry.
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Thank you very much. David John Egan, Facilities folks, professional procurement guys who negotiate for the purchase of the CapEx and also the contracts. And their role, that PMO organization, their role is to complete a factory extension, build a new factory. Once the process has been designed by the operating guys, take that process, buy the equipment, negotiate the contracts, install the equipment and commission the equipment. And then only when it's finished, it's handed back to the David John Egan, Jason Mays David John Egan, Jason Mays, David John Egan, Jason Mays and as equipment's getting installed, we've got a head start on the Equiax side of that already because we're able to do that on our existing equipment in Oxford. So we've been developing this capability for the last 18 months. And I think we said this, we've got some of the revenue starts to ramp. Equipment installation will be finished in 2027. You'll see some of it in 27, more of it in 28 and then full rate from 2029. Thank you.
Maggie Schooley
Analyst, Rothschild
That's really helpful. Appreciate it.
David Egan
Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Maggie.
Alexandra
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Sheila Kayaolu with Jefferies. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Sheila Kayaolu
Analyst, Jefferies
Good morning, guys, and thank you so much for the time. And congratulations on the IPO. A few questions, if that's okay. Maybe I'll start off with just the guidance. You know, first half growth was pretty strong, up 30%. Second half implies a decel to 15%. but how do we think about margins high 18% implied versus the 17.4 in H1? I guess, how are you thinking about the puts and takes on the volume incremental? What drives upside to both the top line and profit as we think about the short and medium term?
David Egan
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, sure. So, you know, our guidance is, as stipulated on the margin, you know, we said stripping up the year-on-year impact of what we see as metal, then, you know, around the 19% mark on the EBITDA, we would see that that margin progression in the second half is going to be delivered through a combination of volume and capacity, you know, further price increases. are being delivered on an analysed basis and then a little bit more coming through on the operational efficiency. So we don't see any change. It's more just a continuation of the path that we've laid out is really going to drive that going forward. And then as we move into beyond, again, it's those three buckets that will continue to drive the margin expansion further to the right-hand side.
Sheila Kayaolu
Analyst, Jefferies
Great. And then if I could ask on aerospace versus IGT, if you think about aerospace growing 46% in the first half, 35% for IGT, I guess two parts. First, how do you think about, you know, some of that included the metal passengers, so I understand that. But how do you think about the outperformance of aerospace in the short term? Maybe if you could just give us an update on what drove that timing of your facilities ramping, improving yields. and then second, how do you think about the medium term trajectories of both these end markets?
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, so look, aerospace David John Egan, David John Egan, On the IGT side, we've got two strategic projects there. If you were to visit our site in Germany, it's cranes, diggers, it's a fully-fledged construction site at the moment because we're doubling the size of that facility. No slowdown at all in demand. If you David John Egan, David John Egan, at the moment until this capacity comes on stream. So we don't have enough installed capacity today to satisfy the market demand on IGT, but it's coming, right? So again, a bit like the aerospace one in Oxford, you'll see more capacity coming on stream for a second half of next year. And then you'll see a fairly significant increase in 28 and then full production in 29 on this year. We announced this doubling of the facility there, so all of that will be at full rate in 2029. I think there's more to come on IGT. I think there's more opportunity for further growth across all our facilities. David talked about an expansion in the UK. We're going to be building some new buildings there to take more capacity. Over the next two or three years, I feel really strong about IGT. I think it's an equal opportunity to the aerospace side.
Sheila Kayaolu
Analyst, Jefferies
Great.
Alexandra
Conference Operator
Thank you.
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Sheila.
Alexandra
Conference Operator
A reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. If you have logged in via the webcast, please submit your questions using the Q&A button. Your next question comes again from Christine Liwag with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Christine Liwang
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
Thank you for the additional question. I wanted to ask, you know, Mike, you had talked a lot about metal pass-through costs and, you know, it's pretty impressive to see that you were able to expand margin in the quarter despite the pass-through pressures which dilute margins. Can you give us any information on How we should think about metal pass-throughs, what you've seen in the quarter, is that similar to other environments? And then when we look at, you know, what you're expecting for the year, are there a potential, like, how do we think about margin movements as these things go through? I mean, pass-throughs should not be affecting EBITDA, but just want to understand a little bit better to put some takes and how you see this.
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
David John Egan, Jason Mays, An unprecedented ramp in the cost per kg of hafnium. You're trading at around, say, $5,000 back in November last year, whereas today it's somewhere between $12,500 and $13,000 per kilogram. So unprecedented ramps. We're not as an industry used to that, right? And that's primarily that use for hafnium is driven by... Demand for AI, advanced chips, it's obviously turbine castings for aerospace and and IGT. It's used in nuclear, you know, high temperature applications. And the problem with hafnium is it's a byproduct of zirconium, right? So it's not manufactured as a primary element. So it's not as if we can just switch on more refining capacity. So it's readily available. It's just that the price has gone through the roof, right? So all of our contracts have material pass-through clauses. It's a very well-defined process in our industry. So it's a timing thing. So we buy hafnium, we manufacture it into our super alloy, we then ship that super alloy to our factory. It then goes through a lead time of somewhere between 18 and 24 weeks where we make the parts. And then obviously we have to recover what we call a material surcharge then. So that's the payment terms that are in the contract. So you can see the working capital cycle is actually quite long, right? Thank you for watching. So just, you know, what's in the number for the second half of the year? I mean, I'll hand over to David for that.
David Egan
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, so Christine, we had 60 basis points of impact on the margin in Q2. For the full year, you know, our guidance is that, you know, stripping that out, the year-on-year impact is going to deliver a margin of around that 19%. So, you know, slightly elevated above the 60 in the second half, but, you know, still confident of delivering that 19%.
Sheila Kayaolu
Analyst, Jefferies
Great, thank you very much.
Alexandra
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Sheila Kayaolu with Jefferies. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Sheila Kayaolu
Analyst, Jefferies
Thanks, guys. I'm sorry for double dipping on the questions here. I guess two quick ones. Mike, you commented on proceeds potentially for inorganic opportunities. I guess, you know, can you comment on the health of the supply chain and what you're seeing in terms of vertical integration opportunities?
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, so I mean, Sheila, look, if you look at our vertical integration, we have pretty much all of the processes in-house. We do outsource some processes today. I won't go into the specifics, but we want to be in control of our own destiny, right? So we want to be able to go from the manufacture of that super alloy all the way to putting the casting into the box and shipping it out the back door. David John Egan, I think that's one of the two buckets that I mentioned earlier on. So I think it's, for example, tooling. We don't manufacture our own tooling today. That's definitely something we would look at in the future. I think you all know tooling lead times have gone out considerably to what they were 18 months ago. So again, that would be a great capability to have within our portfolio as an example.
Sheila Kayaolu
Analyst, Jefferies
Understood. And then maybe in your prepared remarks, you talked about, you know, two industry leaders coming over 18 months ago on the blades and vanes side. If you could provide an update on, you know, what you're doing in aerospace blades and vanes versus IGT. Thank you.
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, look, we, you know, IGT, we talked about a little bit about this before, that the two strategic partnerships we have, strategic partnerships two and three on that slide, are for large blade manufacturing. You know, we've become really good at that. We went through a very painful MPI process from sort of 2017 to 2022. You know, and we've developed, you know, a core capability now of manufacturing very large blades. and because of that capability and our delivery performance, we've been able to work with our OEMs to expand that capability. So I think we're in a really good place on the IGT side. And look, on the airfoils discussion, the blades and veins on aerospace, Structural Castings You guys follow the sector, right? There's a structural demand shortfall in airfoil supply right now. And that presents a great opportunity for Doncaster's to enter into that segment and start to produce a volume, right? Because I think most of the OEMs don't have a supply chain that can deliver what their forecasts are going forward. and I think there's more than enough growth in the sector to satisfy everybody's growth outlook and I think this could become a major segment for Doncaster's.
Alexandra
Conference Operator
Great, thank you. I will now turn it back to the management team to address any webcast questions.
Lucy Sharma
Head of Investor Relations
Thank you, Alexandra. We have a few from investors. So let me just start. First one was, can you expand on the latest strategic partnership? Taking together, how do we think about all of the partnerships contributing revenue, EBITDA, 2027, 2028, and also the fact that you've talked about $200 million of revenue in 2029, basically trying to understand the phasing of the partnerships, please.
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, great question. So partnership number four is with a large aerospace OEM. It's expanding our existing casting relationship. So it's been a great contract for us. It gives us a significant volume increase. We've added some new part numbers and that's locked in now for the next five years. So that goes into one of our existing facilities. The second part of that contract or that discussion is another long-term agreement for nickel-based super alloy supply at a quite significant volume. That volume will underpin the new Greenfield facility in Alabama. and that's a 10-year contract with volume commitments. So, you know, we felt comfortable as a company when we signed that contract because of the volume commitment element to go ahead with that greenfield expansion. David can comment on the revenue split for 27, 28, 29?
David Egan
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, so from an overall perspective, full run rate, as we've indicated, is... Thank you very much. contributions from the OEMs, depending on whether it's a capital or capacity reservation. So each of the four are very bespoke in nature, but overall, you know, very, very much margin and value enhancing for Doncaster's over the medium term.
Lucy Sharma
Head of Investor Relations
Someone has just asked to clarify, is that current group margins that's accretive to or future expected margins in 2028?
David Egan
Chief Financial Officer
It's a combination of both, but overall they are accretive to the margin and continue to permit us to move the margin further to the right-hand side based on those three categories of volume, price and operational efficiencies with the partnerships contributing in all three of those categories.
Lucy Sharma
Head of Investor Relations
Thank you. There's a question about net cash, which I think you've already covered, David. So I'll move on to the next one. Actually, there's two questions on the defence sector. Is there any update on the opportunity within that sector? And then also potentially the turbo wheel sector, given the fact or segment, given the fact that we've got excess available capacity within that segment. Two questions in one place.
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
David John Egan, Jason Mays, Thank you very much. It is, however, a perfect fit for our turbo wheel business, right? So our current casting plants are not geared to make this type of product and volume. They're small. These are from micro turbine engines that are used in the UAVs. We're targeting sort of, there's five categories within the UAV sector. We're in categories groups one through three, which are these micro turbines. They're large volume, Thank you for joining us. So we're used to the rigor of high volume manufacturing on these nickel-based super alloy castings. So really they're a dream fit for our turbo wheel factories. We can convert over at a relatively fast pace. Speed appears to be everything in the sector. We're used to turning prototypes in two to four weeks, which is obviously much, much faster than in our traditional casting business. and we've got a heavy prototype activity going on right now so it seems to be an amazing sector you know every it seems like every week we get a new approach from someone to see we're interested in manufacturing these these turbine wheels and you know I'll keep you posted as things progress but as I said before it's probably going to be the end of the year to see if we can we can ramp this as a business segment.
Lucy Sharma
Head of Investor Relations
Another question is really sort of expanding more on the margins and the longer term expectations. Engine products currently earning the low mid 20% margins. Do you think there's scope for further expansion there? Should margins for the business overall, I agree, converge towards or exceed those levels over the medium term?
David Egan
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, look, it comes back to there are certainly margin drivers there. In the slide that Mike presented, margin is a critical element in terms of the medium and long-term value creation for the group. The margin opportunities will come through volume, price, and operational efficiencies, and we'll continue to move the margin to the right-hand side. We would expect it to come from each of our three segments as we go forward, but more pronounced in engine products.
Lucy Sharma
Head of Investor Relations
Can you provide an update on Mexicali and how that transition is going, please?
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, look, we started this journey probably 24 months ago now, maybe a little bit longer. Mexicali, when we did the Unipol acquisition, we had always targeted Mexicali. as a conversion to an aerospace plant. I'm pleased to say we've made very significant progress on that journey. The transformation of that site into an aerospace plant was always to be done in three phases. Phase one and two is complete. Phase three requires the installation of heat treat capability and NADCAP certification. That will happen, that qualification, installation qualification will start in October this year. And that's a very important milestone for the facility. So for those of you that have spoke to Mexicali is doing postcast operations, which is the labor intensive piece of our facility. David John Egan, Jason Mays, and that will allow us to continue to transfer post-cast work from our US operations to Mexicali and then ship that directly from Mexicali to the OEMs rather than shipping it back to the US sites. So the final phase and the final piece of the jigsaw to allow it. So we'll do all of the pre-cast up to the foundry operations in the US, then ship it to Mexicali for finishing and then ship from Mexicali to the OEMs. You know, two, two and a half year journey. But that facility will, you know, in 2027, that'll be a fully fledged aerospace business.
Lucy Sharma
Head of Investor Relations
Alexandra, do you want to take the other question we have on audio?
Alexandra
Conference Operator
Yes. Turning back to our audio Q&A. Your question comes from Ken Herbert from the line of RBC Capital Markets. Ken, your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Penn Herbert
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets
Hi, good morning. Thanks for the follow up. Maybe just wanted to see, you've talked about for the business seeing, you know, historically a seasonal or a sequential step up in cash generation. or cash use from first half to second half. I wondered if you can put a finer point on how we should think about free cash flow in 2026 and then maybe just use this opportunity out now to talk about sort of more normalized free cash to the extent you can as it relates maybe to adjusted EBITDA, you know, obviously with the consideration that you're continuing to invest pretty substantially over the next several years. But just any commentary on how we think about cash flow on a more normal basis for the business would be helpful. Thank you.
David Egan
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, sure. So in terms of 2026, you know, we have seen, you know, cash being utilized for demand. We've also seen cash being utilized for working capital build and for capacity expansion and growth. And we've also seen cash being utilized off the back of the metal side of things. Thank you for joining us. We're in a growth phase. There is a fair amount going into capital expenditure and growth and capacity expansion. We have suggested that CapEx will be stronger as we go through 27 versus 2026 to build out those partnerships. And then as we get through the more normalized phase of life, then There's certainly going to be strong opportunity for strong cash generation within Doncaster's group. We are in the growth phase. We are a growth company and certainly looking to drive that capacity, working capital growth, and then convert that into stronger earnings.
Alexandra
Conference Operator
We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Mike Quinn, Chief Executive Officer for closing remarks.
Mike Quinn
Chief Executive Officer
Thank you everyone for taking time out of your day today to attend our earnings call. I said the team are pretty excited this was our first earnings call. Hopefully you got what you needed from it. There's some great things to come in Doncaster's and I really appreciate the support that everyone has given us to this date. So thank you very much and we'll leave it there for today. Thank you.
Alexandra
Conference Operator
This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.