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PLDT Inc. Q2 F2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Thursday, August 13, 2026

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Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Afternoon, everyone. Thank you for waiting. Apologies for that delay. Thank you for joining us today. My name is Gina Nograles. I'm the Head of Investor Relations here at PLDT. And it's my pleasure to welcome you to our first half 2026 Financial and Operating Results Briefing. So joining us today to share insights into PLDT's performance and strategic direction are PLDT Chief Operating Officer, Mr. Butch Jimenez, our OIC CFO, Mr. Leo Posadas, We also have here with us, SBP and head of consumer home business, Mr. John Palanca. We also have our head or OIC for smart communications, Mr. Lloyd Matagoto, and our chief legal counsel, Attorney Joan De Venecia-Fabul. You'll also be joined later by our other key officers for our enterprise business as well as our data center business. So before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that we will have a Q&A session after the presentation. You may submit your questions via the MS Teams Q&A panel. Thank you also to those who have submitted the questions beforehand, and we'll make sure you keep those during the calls. So to start, I'd like to invite our Chief Operating Officer, Mr. Boiximedes, to walk us through PLDT's financial and operating performance.
Butch Jimenez
Chief Operating Officer
Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'll take you through PLDT's first half 2026 financial and operating results. For the first half, gross service revenues grew 2% to $108.7 billion, while service revenues net of introduction cost increased 1% to $97.8 billion. Both were tempered by softer consumer spending and wireless and the lagged revenue impact of first-quarter installation constraints in homes, partly offset by continued enterprise growth. Cash opex, subsidies, and provisions were broadly flat at $41.7 billion, supporting EBITDA of $56.1 billion and a stable 52% margin. Below EBITDA, depreciation and amortization increased 6%, Reflecting our past investments in network and infrastructure. Total core income declined 2% to $16.6 billion, while stable financing costs, contribution from Maya and asset sales helped stabilize core income at $17.3 billion. Overall, the business remained resilient with stable margins and continued financial discipline. Looking more closely at the top line, consolidated service revenues were up 1% to $97.8 billion for the first half. Excluding legacy services, revenues grew 2% to $89.2 billion and now account for 91% total. Wireless revenues were broadly stable at $42.1 billion, with mobile data and fixed wireless access grew to $38.7 billion. Home revenues were $30 billion, down 1%, reflecting the revenue lag from the constraints we experienced in the first quarter. Enterprise remains our strongest growth driver, with revenues up 5% to $24.8 billion by corporate data and ICT. So while overall growth remains measured, the mix continues to shift toward data and ICT services. and we now take you through the performance of each of our major business units. Starting with wireless, where we saw an improvement in trends through the second quarter. Wireless consumer revenues were $42.1 billion, broadly stable year on year. Data and fixed wireless access revenues grew 2% to $38.7 billion and now account for 92% of wireless consumer revenues. More importantly, The trajectory within the first half has improved. Monthly year-on-year top-ups moved from negative 3% in March to flat in April and May and positive 1% in June. This brought wireless revenues back to roughly flat for the first half. The usage numbers backed this up. Active data usage reached 24.1%. Data traffic increased 12% year-on-year to 3,273 petabytes. And 5G devices increased to 12.5 million, now representing 21% of the device base. Our pools also remain resilient despite the softer consumer spending environment. So, wireless started the year under pressure and is ending the half on firmer footing. A lot of that comes down to how we're approaching pricing and customer engagement. Let me show you what we're doing on that end. Two things are driving better monetization. First, we are being more deliberate on pricing, selectively moving some prepaid offers to higher price points while adding more data and benefits so customers still see good value. For example, the selected prepaid offers moved from 99 pesos to 109 pesos with additional data in the package. Second, we are getting much better at engaging individual customers Our hyper-personalized offers use each customer's behavior and usage patterns to make promotions more relevant. The results have been encouraging. App-based hyper-personalized offers are converting at as much as 5% versus around 0.2% for generic SMS broadcast offers. That's as much as 25 times higher. These actions on healthiness support higher spend while keeping our foods resilient in a softer consumer environment. Our network experience also remains a key strength. In OpenSignal's latest July report, Smart earned eight Mobile Experience Awards with outright wins across dating, voice apps, 5G upload, and 5G coverage, and joint wins in video. What's worth noting is that OpenSignal looks at coverage in the places people live, work, Smart's network performance was also recognized in OOPLA's Speedtest Awards for the first half of 2026. Smart was named the Philippines' fastest mobile network, best mobile network, and best mobile radio experience. Sharper pricing Thank you for joining us today. and when it shows up meaningfully in revenue. Each new installation adds to the recurring revenue base so the benefit builds as new subscribers accumulate. That's why the first half number still carries. From the installation constraints we saw in the first quarter, the OSS migration slowed how quickly customer orders were converted into completed installations. The good news is that we started seeing recovery signs in the second quarter As insulation volumes picked up and post-pay net ads turned positive in May, on fundamentals, ARPU remains best in industry at 1,330 pesos for the first half, though down from a year ago. Lend-in churn is industry-leading at 1.8%, with post-pay churn improving to 1.4%. Lastly, fiber net ads improved to 97,000 in the second quarter, More than double the first quarter print. Let me show you those operating indicators in more detail, because that's really where the recovery story is clearest. You can see the improvement more clearly in the operating indicators. Postpaid installations increased steadily through the second quarter, with June reaching the highest monthly level so far this year. As installations throughput improved, Post-paid net additions turned positive for May. Churn also remains well-managed, with monthly post-paid churn at 1% in June. We also continue to strengthen the whole proposition beyond connectivity. Fiber on the all brings fiber together with Signal, HBO Max, and Smart Data in one package. The idea is to give customers more value from their relationship and support deep And we continue to improve the service experience. Store Genie, our AI-enabled frontline service tool, helps our customer-facing teams resolve inquiries directly and much faster. Inquiry resolution is now around 10 times faster, ticket escalations have been cut by half, and more than 61,000 hours of customer waiting time have been avoided. So the operating recovery is already underway, As installations rebuild their recurring subscriber base, we expect revenues to follow with the usual land. Let me now turn to enterprise, which was our strongest growth business in the first half. Enterprise revenues increased 5% to $24.8 billion, while corporate data and ICT revenues also grew 5% to $18.4 billion. The mix continues to shift toward higher growths, ICT revenues increased 22% in the first half, led by 35% growth in tech services. This more than offset the continued decline in legacy services. We are also seeing good growth across underlying infrastructure base. Fiber lines increased 6%, SD-WAN lines grew 18%, and contracted third-party racks across our virtual data centers increased 6%. The key part of the strategy is one enterprise. We bring together PLDT, SMART, EPLDT, PLDT Global, and Vitro to offer clients a broad set of solutions under one relationship. Increasingly, our wins involve more than one part of the group, combining connectivity with cloud, managed IT, cybersecurity, and data center services. That breadth is reflected In the growth we are seeing across the different enterprise businesses. You can see that momentum across the different businesses supporting our enterprise customers. PLDT Global's enterprise revenues grew 30%, supported by hyperscaler and carrier demand for international connectivity, cable capacity, and co-location. Smart's enterprise business grew 15%, driven by services such as A2B, GIDA, Enterprise, and IOT. EPLDT tech services grew 37%, reflecting continued demand for managed IT, cloud, cybersecurity and customer experience solutions. And Bitcoin data center revenues grew 13%, supported by enterprise, cloud and hyperscaler demand. What ties these businesses together is the ability to serve more of our customers' digital requirements from connectivity All the way through to the cloud, cybersecurity, and data centers. I'd like to spend a little more time on Vitro, where we see a particularly strong growth runway. Vitro data center revenues grew 13% in the first half, supported by demand from enterprises, the public sector, and hyperscalers. Today, Vitro has approximately 34 megawatts of activated ID rate capacity across its portfolio, making us the largest data center operator in the Philippines by live co-location IT capacity. And we have significant room to scale from here. The next 10 megawatts at Vitro Santa Rosa are targeted for activation by the end of this year. Beyond that, identified expansion opportunities across Santa Rosa, Clark, and Cebu too could take total IT-ready capacity to 62.4 megawatts. That represents more than 80% growth from our current activated capacity. We also see a supportive backdrop for the industry. Executive Order 119 reinforces the importance of secure in-country boosting for sensitive government data. More broadly, it strengthens the case for building digital infrastructure locally and could support further cloud and hyperscale investment in the Philippines. Vitro is well positioned for that opportunity given its track record, scale, nationwide footprint, and its integration with DLTT's broader ecosystem. We are also continuing to build a platform to global standards. Vitro Santa Rosa is DIA 942 rated 3 and LEED Gold certified, while S&P Global Ratings assign Vitro a light green shade of green assessment. Turning now to operating expenses. Cost management remained disciplined in the first half. Total cash expenses, subsidies, were slightly lower at $47 billion, despite continued investments to support the business. The main increases came from repairs and maintenance, up 3%, and contract-specific service costs, which rose 26%, in line with higher project activities. Subsidies were also higher, Reflecting our particular push to drive device adoption and customer engagement. These increases were largely offset by lower compensation and benefits, selling and promotions, and taxes and licenses. Overall, we were able to keep the cash cost pay stable while continuing to fund the areas that support growth and customer experience. This cost discipline helped preserve margins, which I'll discuss on the next slide. During the EBITDA, the semestral trend shows a steadily expanding earnings base. EBITDA reached $56.1 billion in the first half, marking the fifth consecutive semester of growth from $53.9 billion in the first half of 2024. This has been supported by a combination of steady revenues and disciplined cost management. This allowed us to maintain EBITDA margin at 52%, Broadly consistent with the levels we have sustained over the past several periods. Moving below EBITDA, DelcoCore income was $60.6 million, down 2% year-on-year, mainly reflecting the higher depreciation and amortization. Maya continued to contribute positively, with PLDT's share of core income reaching $559 million for the first half compared with $406 million last year. My second quantum contribution was lower, maybe due to one-time accounting adjustments rather than a weakening in the underlying business. Excluding these effects, the contribution would have been stronger. We also recognized around $0.3 billion from asset sales. These helped stabilize core income at $17.3 billion. Repointed income was $16.4 billion, around 6% year-on-year, losses in foreign exchange and derivatives, which moved from a net gain last year to a net loss in the first half of 2016. Overall, while higher depreciation weighed on telco core earnings, my life asset sales helped cushion the impact on core income. Turning to CapEx, we continued to bring investment intensity down while maintaining focus on growth and network quality. CapEx for the first half was 20.7 billion
Lloyd Matagoto
OIC Head for Smart Communications
from $27.4 billion last year.
Butch Jimenez
Chief Operating Officer
This brought CapEx Inc.'s intensity down to 19% of service revenues from 26% a year ago. We continue to prioritize investments that support growth and customer experience, including new cell sites, old private ports, AI, submarine cables, and IT modernization. For the full year, we continue to expect capex in the mid-50 billion range. Our objective remains the same. Continue bringing capex intensity down over time while sustaining positive free cash flow and investing where we see the best returns. Turning to the balance sheet, net debt stood at $287.3 billion at the end of June, with net debt to EBITDA at $2.57 million. We continue to manage with debt Profile Proactively with a well-spread maturity schedule. Only 3% of total debt matures in 2026, while more than half matures beyond 2031. Average debt maturity remains healthy at over six years. Our average pre-tax interest costs also improved to 5.05% from higher .43% at the end of 2025. Foreign currency exposure remains limited. U.S. dollar denominated rates accounts for 14% of total debt with only a small portion debt unhinged. BLDD remains investment-grade, graded BBB by S&P Global and DAA2 by Moody's. Our focus remains on maintaining positive free cash flow and steadily bringing net debt to EBITDA towards two times. On dividends, the board declared a cash dividend of 46 pesos per share for the first half of 2026.
Lloyd Matagoto
OIC Head for Smart Communications
This reference is consistent with our dividend policy.
Butch Jimenez
Chief Operating Officer
DLBT continues to offer an attractive return to shareholders with a trailing 12-month dividend yield of around 8% based on the June 30 share price. At the same time, we are balancing shareholder returns with the need to strengthen the balance sheet. Our focus remains on sustaining possible free cash flow, continuing our asset monetization programs, and bringing leverage down over time. In the second quarter of 2026, Maya continued to scale its integrated ecosystem and remain profitable. Through one platform, Maya enables consumers to save, borrow, and transact While helping businesses accept payments, manage cash flow, and access financial solutions. This integrated model creates strong network effects across consumers and businesses, reinforcing Maya's position as a 30s leading digital bank and merchant acquirer. Maya sustained strong growth across both digital banking and payments. As of 10 June 2026, Maya's deposit, balance, reached 86 billion, while Lowe's Outstanding rose to 39 billion. In merchant acquiring, Maya accounts for 53% of POS terminals nationwide as of December 2025, based on BSP industry data and Maya's corresponding regulatory submission under the same reporting definitions. On digital banking, Maya's deposit grew 71% year-on-year, while loans outstanding increased 56% year-on-year, reflecting continued demand for its savings and credit products. The loan-to-deposit ratio stood at 45%, supporting the continued expansion of the lending portfolio. Asset quality remained stable, with gross MTL ratio of 4.8%, while annualized net interest margins stood at 17.3%, For the first half of 2026, reflecting strong lending margins, Maya expanded payment flexibility for consumers through Maya Mini Payments, which allows Maya credit card users to convert any purchase into monthly payments without requiring a merchant tire. For businesses, the new Maya Business App brings together payments, banking, lending, cash flow management, and Business Insights and Analytics in one app for the MSMEs. Maya also enabled Apple Pay acceptance through Maya Terminals and Maya Checkout, giving Apple Pay users a simple, secure, and convenient way to pay at Maya-powered businesses in-store and online. These products and services demonstrate how Maya continues to innovate across both the consumer and business sides of its integrated range. On sustainability, we continue to strengthen the depth and transparency of our reporting. As a supplement to our 2025 Annual and Sustainability Report, we published five focus reports covering business continuity and network resilience, gender equality, human rights and environmental utilities, just transition, and materiality and impact assessment. These reports help convey an even more holistic corporate narrative for BLDD. BLDD continues to participate in industry forums and thematic discussions covering areas such as finance, accounting, human capital, child protection, and nature-based sustainability. These platforms allow us to share what we have learned, exchange best practices, and contribute to the broader conversation on integrating sustainability into business. To wrap up, The first half showed a resilient performance despite a softer operating environment. Wireless trends improved through the second quarter. Homes operating indicators are moving in the right direction, and enterprises continue to deliver solid growth. At the same time, disciplined costs and capital management helped us protect margins, strengthen task generation, and maintain our focus on deleveraging. We believe these trends give us a firmer base as we move into the second half of the year. With that, we thank you for your time and we're happy to take your questions.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Thank you very much, Butch, for that presentation. And before we open the floor for your questions, let me just acknowledge the presence of some of our other key officers here. So we have also with us SVP Blum Spinetta, who heads our enterprise business. We also have Attorney Mava, our corporate secretary. Thank you for joining us as well. So please feel free to go ahead and put in your questions in the Q&A box if you feel free to do so. Or if you wish, you can also raise your hand. and I can unmute you and you can ask your questions live to the audience. So, a number of you have sent in your questions before the meeting started, so let me go ahead and ask those questions. This first question is from Marky Karunungan of FDF Security. The question is for our mobile business. You've highlighted the improvement in top-ups from negative 3% in March to positive 1% in June. How are you seeing July and early August trends, and do you now view the improvement as a structural recovery in consumer spending, or are customers simply responding to the price and offer changes?
Lloyd Matagoto
OIC Head for Smart Communications
Thank you for your question. So the first part of the question is, are we seeing improvement in top-ups? For July, we're looking at roughly a plus three top-ups, and all those are expanding somewhere between two and three percent. So this is And in response to the second part of the question, what part is structural and what part is driven by marketing interventions, recall that around March, we went down to minus 3. April, probably around minus 2. And then sometime around May, we saw an improvement in gasoline, the diesel prices, which actually positively affected mobility. So also, if you were looking at the numbers, It seems that from minus two to flat, that's driven by structural increase and structural increase in gasoline prices. But from June, we saw a plus one, July a plus three, and roughly around maybe a plus two around August. So that roughly plus two is now driven by our interventions. So it's half structural and probably half driven by our marketing activities.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Thank you, Boyd. Before I go to the next question, I apologize, B-Boy, I forgot to acknowledge your presence here. We also have B-Boy Candino, the President and CEO of EPLPP and PITRA, our data center business. So if you have questions for that side of the business as well, please feel free to ask the question. All right. So this second question is for our home business. This is also from Marky Karinungan of FDAP. Given that installations and post-paid net ads have turned positive in May, Should we expect the revenue and selection to become visible around August or September, or is there still a longer lag from the OSS disruption?
John Palanca
SVP & Head of Consumer Home Business
So, yes, Marty, right?
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Marty, yes.
John Palanca
SVP & Head of Consumer Home Business
Hi, I'm Marty. Thank you for your question. Actually, we're very encouraged by the leading indicators that we've seen. As we mentioned during the briefing, our escalation rates went up. Thank you very much. Thank you. And as a follow-up to that, John, would you be able to share if there are any installation run rates that you need to reach for home to return to positive revenue growth or is this something... As a matter of principle, our net balance is really a function of our draw stands and our trade rates. And as long as we keep it on the positive side, this will compound. In fact, our challenge in catching up was really the shortfall of the Q1 disruption, but carrying over also compounded negatively into the first half. We're seeing that we are now positive net ads and at an increasing rate at that. Also, we're seeing that the customers that we are acquiring are in the post-paid segment, which provides a much higher R2 for us. So, as long as we continue to do that for the balance of the year and moving on to the next year, then we should be okay. Thank you.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Thank you, John. All right, next question also from Marky. This is on Maya. and I'll be taking that question. So Maya remains profitable, but its contribution to PLDT's core income was slightly lower both year on year. In the second quarter, is it because of non-recurring accounting adjustments? If you exclude those adjustments, how should we think about underlying earnings for Jeffrey for Maya in the second half of 2026? And also to follow through to that question, with Maya's loan book up 56%, Would that cause management to slow credit growth? And what early warning indicators would tell you that the current 4.8 MPL ratio is no longer sustainable? So just to address the Q&Q and your decline for Maya, so the movement in that is really not reflective of the underlying performance of the business, and it's really primarily true to certain accounting treatments of expenses and non-recurring expenses for the partner, right? So it's Definitely, if it were not for those accounting adjustments that are one-time, definitely year-on-year and both quarter-in-quarter contributions to the LDP would have been much stronger and positive. Now, regarding the question about credit growth, so it did grow 56%. If you do look at the LDR, Loan-to-Deposit Ratios of Maya, which is published in the DSP website, It is still in the low 40s, so there definitely is quite a bit of room to expand. And really, if you look at Maya, I mean, it really is hand-in-hand with the BSP in really pushing financial inclusion in the Philippines. Now, if you look at the credit quality of Maya, as well as the credit quality that is published by the BSP, you know, Based on that, Maya really hasn't observed any broad-based deterioration in credit quality. In fact, Maya's loans continue to grow. Our FDLs continue to improve to 4.8. And Maya really continues to monitor repayment behavior, portfolio performance, and developments across the customer segment very, very closely. So I think right now they're at a comfortable position on that. Okay. So this next question is from... and Jojo Dulles of Silicon Equity Corp. So many thanks for sending ahead of the call. My questions are around the cost side. So this would be for our finance team. OPEC appears to have outpaced the growth of revenue. Sorry, let me read that again. As OPEX appears to have outpaced the growth of revenues, especially in 2Q, specifically depreciation, interconnection, and the cost of devices and accessories, what is behind the seemingly faster rate of growth of these items? Thank you.
Leo Posadas
OIC Chief Financial Officer
Sure. In terms of the depreciation, there have been investments predominantly related to the network, upgrading our core services. We also and to build out in terms of the transport as well as the core network and also to solidify our position. We want to make sure that our 5G coverage is better, and so we are increasingly focusing on that within the boundaries of our CapEx guidelines, which this year we signaled around a 55, mid-50s billion peso CapEx target for this year. But for us, that CapEx, which started and will continue in the second half, Thank you. All right, so this next question is from Michael Fernandez of Metro Bank.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
I think this is in regards to CAPEX as well. How much is CAPEX spent in the first half of 2026? That should be in our slides. Is guidance for 2026 still in the mid 50 billion level? And what is CAPEX guidance for 2027? How much of CAPEX will be funded by debt?
Leo Posadas
OIC Chief Financial Officer
Sure. So in terms of the CAPEX, so as We saw last year the CapEx for the first half was $27.4. This year, what we have done in the first half is lower than that to $20.7 billion. And so from an intensity perspective, the CapEx intensity last year of 26% has reduced down to 19%. Why we are focused on that is the ability to then ensure the free cash flow generation. And so when we look at those measures, including, for instance, EBITDALEX CapEx, and that's where we're showing the improvement that we have been able to do through the reduction. Now, having said that, as I mentioned earlier, our target for the full year, though, still remains in the mid-50s and therefore you would see an increase in the second half as we look to continue, as I mentioned, to support our network. We want better coverage, we want better quality in terms of our services that we provide across the board and so we are going to be continuing our investments In terms of guidance for next year, 2027, it's a little premature, but I think the message here is we want to continue to maintain our discipline on CapEx. We are looking very closely at the return on invested capital for the new CapEx that we're making. We want to make sure that it's spent in the right areas that need it. That will generate growth for our businesses as well in terms of the hotline. and provide an adequate return on that invested capital. And so for next year, I think we would look to continue to seek to reduce, if possible, from the 55 below that. But in terms of the amount and the quantity at this point, it's too early to say.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Okay. Thank you very much for that. Okay. This next question, also from Michael, is for Vitro. So, B-Boy, this would be for you. Can management provide an update on the proposed Vitro re-transactions?
B-Boy Candino
President & CEO of EPLDT and PITRA / Vitro Data Center Business
Excellent question. We're still targeting for a Q4 listing, but obviously this will be subject to market conditions. We have done our cornerstone roadshow already, internationally and locally. Interest has been very positive. I think it's close to the view that it will be one of the biggest digital infrastructure platforms in the country. But we will see by Q4
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Thank you. All right, this message, let me keep it within the vitro space. So this is from Mateo Lorenzo. On vitro rate, could you help us understand why it is the right time from both PLDT's and vitro's perspective to list? PLDT is already in a lower capex and possibly low end leveraging phase. While Vitro still has significant growth upside, how much of the timing is about accelerating PLDD's own financial trajectory versus the current rate and yield environment versus what the REIT can unlock for Vitro? So I guess B-Boy can take the timing from Vitro's perspective, and then we can take the timing from PLDD's perspective.
B-Boy Candino
President & CEO of EPLDT and PITRA / Vitro Data Center Business
I think it's a good time. From our nine data centers currently, we have eight that we are injecting into the week. That's 24 megawatts in total. Our ninth data center, the newest one, is Peter Santarosa, 36 megawatts in capacity. I think it's a good opportunity to come in and capitalize the 25 years of experience of us running data centers in the country. We are the largest data center platform in terms of number of sites We are the largest data center in terms of capacity. We are the most carrier-limited data center in the Philippines today. We are the boom of the Philippine Internet. We host over half of the Internet exchanges in the Philippines today, and it bodes well to the platform that we have built over 25 years. So we're very proud of the platform, and we think it's an opportunity to listen out. But as you said, the upside is still huge. A lot of this all depends on people watching online. A lot of development in terms of high-perspectives looking at the future in the Philippines. And, of course, we have our crown jewel, Vitro Saccharosa, to be ejected in the future in Vitro.
Leo Posadas
OIC Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, from the PLDG perspective, what I can say is that the timing is, of course, there's a lot of interest in this space. As you are aware, the recent Executive Order 109 has created an opportunity to scale up in this industry. The REIT itself is a portfolio of eight data centers which are mature, which have been around even over 20 years. And so as a result of it, and as the capacity of those are higher, this allows us to offer investors an attractive vehicle where they can invest into an attractive dividend yield business that is listed. And then in the future, we would look to grow by continuing to build on the data centers. And so as V-Boy just alluded to the developments in this market with EO 119. Even without it, we're seeing a lot of growth on the corporate side and the traditional co-location businesses. And now with the interest coming from hyperscalers and AI-based providers, this is creating a lot of supply on the demand side for data centers. And so I think the opportunity to list would be one to then – raise some capital and perhaps some of that would go into the future investment. But also, as mentioned earlier, it's also part of the overall group plan to deliver. You know, the debt where we are now today at 2.6 times net debt to EBITDA, we'd like to see that come down. And so any proceeds that could be generated from a listing, that would help us in terms of reducing and improving and strengthening our balance sheets. But, you know, this is an opportunity. You know, it could be this year, but it doesn't necessarily have to. And to build the business as we fill up the capacity of Mutual Santa Rosa and we look to further develop others in the future, I think that that's really where the strategy of the business is, is recognizing the growth in this industry and wanting to be a continued participant and increase our leadership in this category.
Blum Spinetta
SVP & Head of Enterprise Business
Your question, right, the market conditions is what we talk about, right? How would it price, right, in that period when we explore the listing? So, I think we're obviously paying attention to that. We want to make sure that it's pricing in the upside and the growth that we're factoring into the deeper read and how the data centers are performing. We just wanted to highlight that as well.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Thank you. All right, I'll take some live questions now. I see John said UBS with a raised hand. So let me go ahead and allow you to unmute. Please go ahead and ask your question, John.
John (UBS Analyst)
Analyst
Are you able to... Apologies, John.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Perhaps you can send me your message offline if you're not able to ask it live. But let me go ahead and move back to the Q&A side while I figure out my question box. Apologies about that, John. All right. So this question also in the Q&A box is, This is from Lita Lang of Papa Securities. So, this is for our mobile segment. Mobile subscribers saw churn across all segments this quarter. Are you seeing more aggressive pricing from competitors or just a case of subscribers self-selecting into lower price providers amid inflates?
Lloyd Matagoto
OIC Head for Smart Communications
Alright. Our end up to be the cleanup on our subscriber base. So, it's not a churn driven by subscribers but rather Thank you.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
All right, this is from Michael Xavier Alonso. This is in regards to Pax Tilita, so maybe Blum or B-Boy can comment on this. Do you anticipate any potential disruption or increased competition in the data center business arising from the Pax Tilita development?
Blum Spinetta
SVP & Head of Enterprise Business
I can take that. So I think as we understand, so I think we are still really waiting for details on what exactly PACC is. While I think obviously both the U.S. government and the Philippine government have been in talks, it has yet to trickle down in terms of implications, specific implications to which private sector locators are going to drive the investors, specifically which U.S. companies are going to be in charge. That said, I think a lot of the fact that it focuses really on advanced manufacturing and rare minerals and that type of processing. So I think data center and other digital infrastructure, particularly connectivity, is much more of servicing those different industries. And so we're prepared as always to respond to that as we do in any other type location industrial zones. et cetera. But I think we're waiting for more details. In fact, we've had maybe some independent inquiries. They could be considered within the same industries as Mocmac, so they've been targeting, already asking. And so that's just part of our business as usual to engage them and talk to them for both connectivity as well as their data center needs.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Thank you. All right. Going back to the Q&A box. So this is from Michael Fernandez as well, from Metro Bank. How much of POBD's debt can we expect to go down as a result of the veto retransaction? Understand that it was previously mentioned that a portion of the proceeds will be used to pay down debt.
Leo Posadas
OIC Chief Financial Officer
In terms of the debt reduction from a net debt to EBITDA ratio, we would see an improvement from the 2.6% to approximately 2.4.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
And then on the PIT plan, I think it's a little under 13 billion pesos, a little over 12 billion pesos that will be used to pay down debt. All right, so this is from Francis Beto. This is in regards to costs as well, depreciation and capex. Would you say that the growth in depreciation despite tempered capex in the past few quarters It's related to old 4G investments becoming more outdated as you migrate further to 5G. How long do you expect depreciation growth to remain elevated?
Leo Posadas
OIC Chief Financial Officer
Sure, yeah. That's 2026 figures, assuming moderate increase in depreciation, which reflects some of the prioritized network and digital investments, for instance, fiber and wireless expansion, capacity, resilience, upgrades. But we want to sustain the CapEx intensity improvement through tighter prioritization and the discipline in terms of the execution. There's also an impact from IFRS 16, some of the step-ups as we use more of these back-network investments, and so depreciation on the right-of-use is also contributing to the increase in the depreciation.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Thank you. All right. John, I'm going to try to unmute you again. So, John, can you ask your question out?
John (UBS Analyst)
Analyst
Sure. Thank you. So, first question on mobile. I understand it is macro-linked, though your competitor showed stronger growth. Anything you guys, them, you think are doing differently?
Lloyd Matagoto
OIC Head for Smart Communications
First, there are two really interesting things that we're looking at. One is, on our network, we're focusing our rollouts on 5G primarily because of the The other item that we're seeing that they're able to help is that they have, I think, the IT side, they have, they are reaching their high personalization, particularly because of the reach of GCash. So, what we are, what we intend to do now is figure a way to actually extend our high personalization capabilities to go beyond the current applications, SMS, and then I will get into more partnerships with the wallets and with the social media providers. So that should allow us now to demonstrate feedback to our marketing efforts, particularly our subscribers.
John (UBS Analyst)
Analyst
Very clear. Thank you. Second question on broadband. I think one of your competitors also accelerated revenue growth for us. Two of the three slowed this quarter. I guess the question is, how would you characterize the competitive landscape given these factors?
John Palanca
SVP & Head of Consumer Home Business
Yes, thank you for that. Well, PMDP remains to be the clear leader in the high-value fiber or premium market. We have the highest ARPU today, we have the lowest churn, and we have 52% of the post-beta fiber market. So a lot of the industry growth headlines have revolved around the growth in the prepaid segment. Very disproportionately, and this is driven by, of course, the work of prepaid fiber and acquisition by our competitors in that segment. Now, PLDT homes underlying fundamentals have been growing, and they've turned positive in Q2. And because PLDT's 99% post-pay, there is a certain lack for us to convert those new installations to Recurring Revenue. And we need to wait for that impact to compound. So in our business, the second half is really very straightforward. We just need to accelerate and drive on this wave of Q2 improvements while building prepaid as a potential growth engine. As long as we don't sacrifice the economics which we're looking at very carefully today. This is a segment that we would like to be active in as well. Thank you. Okay, very clear.
John (UBS Analyst)
Analyst
Third question, just on the topic of CAPEX. I think it was mentioned that there are new ROIC targets for new CAPEX. Could we share some of those? I guess the question is also coming from depreciation has been Going faster than revenue for the past few quarters. And I guess the second part of that question is whether we could actually expect capex of sales to drop to low 20s or even high teens as other ASEAN markets have shown this trend.
Leo Posadas
OIC Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, I mean, on the return on invested capital point, when we look at key initiatives, for instance, if we have an initiative around the network, we want to improve the 5G cycle, for instance, then we would evaluate depending on which locations and opportunities that would generate increases in revenues weighed against the cost and therefore is it accretive to our returns and what kind of investments and returns and payback and so forth are we going to get. This is one specific example but as part of our review in terms of our investments in the capital then that also goes into the allocation in terms of which of the businesses recognizing that we have Thank you very much. Thank you. All right, so this next question is from Rima Trample. Is there scope to increase the dividend payout ratio?
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Despite the focus on, I guess, with the focus on the leveraging.
John (UBS Analyst)
Analyst
At this point, there's the focus, it has been at the 60% core income payout.
Leo Posadas
OIC Chief Financial Officer
I think that, for now, that is still the intent in the plan of the group.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Thank you. Also from Raymond, this is a question on Maya. Can you give a PESO value for Maya's recurring net income contribution for the second quarter? I'm not able to comment on that actual recurring net income contribution, but I can tell you how much they contributed to PLT keys for income, and that is 559 million pesos for the first half, right? But again, that does include some of those one-off Thank you very much. Thank you. So I'll just get back to you on that since it was already addressed by Lloyd earlier in the call. Let me just go ahead and go back to the Q&A box. So this is from Paolo Mananzala of COL. With regards to the copper assets, is there an update to the timeline? Are you seeing a more favorable environment to sell these assets?
Leo Posadas
OIC Chief Financial Officer
We are in discussions and exploring the opportunities to sell copper, which will stem from some of the legacy assets of the business. In terms of the environment and timing of the pricing, as you've seen in the spot prices, the price of copper has increased even within this year and the past 18 months. Today, the spot is around $6.50 U.S. per pound. So, So it is a commodity that is increasing in value. Of course, that helps when you're looking at a sale in terms of the pricing. But as I mentioned, discussions are ongoing. And as and when a transaction would be completed, the appropriate disclosures will be made.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
Thank you. And this next question is from Michael of Metro Bank. This is in regards to also asset monetization, but tower sales now. Can we expect any tower sales this year? How much can we expect?
Leo Posadas
OIC Chief Financial Officer
The approximate proceeds that we would seek to generate from the sales would be 2 million pesos. So that would be the target. But of course, there are two discussions and finalization of this process.
Gina Nograles
Head of Investor Relations
All right. So I think that brings us up to the hour. Again, thank you so much for joining us today. I know there are quite a number of questions in the Q&A box still. So apologies for not being able to get through all of that. Thank you again very much for your time today.