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Sanuwave Health, Inc. Q2 F2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Friday, August 7, 2026

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Leslie
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Please stand by. Your meeting is about to begin. Hello, and welcome everyone joining today's SanuWave earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, you will have the opportunity to ask questions during the question and answer session. To register to ask a question at any time, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Please note this call is being recorded. We are standing by should you need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn the meeting over to Morgan Frank, Chairman and CEO of SanuWave. Please go ahead.
Morgan Frank
Chairman and CEO
Morgan Frank Thank you, Leslie. So, welcome to SanuWave's second quarter 2026 earnings call. Our Form 10Q was filed with the SEC last night, along with our earnings release, and our updated presentation was made available on our website in the investor section. Please refer to that during the presentation. Joining me on the call is Peter Sorensen, our CFO, and after the presentation, we will open the call to Q&A. Let me begin with the forward-looking statements and other disclosures. This call may contain forward-looking statements, such as statements relating to future financial results Production expectations, plans for future business development activities, and expectations regarding the impact of changes in reimbursement levels and tariff rates. Investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond the company's ability to control. Description of these risks and uncertainties and other factors that could affect our financial results is included in our SEC filings. Actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements, and others. As a reminder, our discussion today will include non-GAAP numbers. Reconciliations between our GAAP and non-GAAP results can be found in our recently filed 10-Q for the period ended June 30, 2026. As we discussed in several of our recent press releases, Q2 actually started out fairly strong, and applicator sales remained so during the whole quarter, setting a new all-time record for both unit volumes up 13% sequentially from our previous record in Q1, and 27% year-on-year, and for applicator revenues up 8% sequentially from Q1, and surpassing the previous record from Q3 2025. These were up 13% year-over-year. We know that the release looks like it should be 14%. That's the whole number rounding issue that we mentioned. The divergence on price is predominantly going to shift to a reseller model and to a company selling applicators at wholesale prices. Overall during the quarter, applicator sales went largely to plan and on model. We take this to be a good sign about customer confidence in the Ultramus product, especially in such a difficult market in which so many wound care providers have gone BK or closed their doors. as a result of CMS changes to skin-soap reimbursement and clawbacks of reimbursement associated with that modality. As we've said in the past, neither the wounds nor the patients have gone away, and so as the number of practitioner entities drop, we continue to see significant consolidation in the space. This has all been much as we expected. Where Q2 meaningfully diverged from plan and expectation was on the system sales side. As the number of Ultramis customers, some of them quite large, have closed up shop in recent quarters, This has created an unprecedented market for used Ultramis devices, which wound up having profound cannibalization effects on our business during the quarter. I mean, I suppose if one were inclined to see good news here, it would be that at least people are buying them. Obviously, the bad news is that they weren't buying them from us. So many have asked about whether and to what extent we can size the impact that this had on the quarter. The honest answer to this is it's It's pretty difficult because while we've seen a number of these transactions directly either through the sales process or as new users reach out to us, there's simply no way to know what percentage of the overall trend we're capturing. So our best guess is that used systems accounted for 40 to 60 system sales in the quarter. But again, and just to be really clear here, it's difficult to be precise. and Theo. This is our best estimate. Customers buying applicators through resellers who are unable to check a serial number against the original purchasers list would not necessarily be visible as having bought a used system. Obviously, the same is true for existing customers who simply added another system. This also makes active systems a little tricky to calculate just now and creates the potential to undercount somewhat. But based on our ordered within the last six months and others. Our count for active systems at the end of Q2 was 1,411, up 29 from the 1,382 at the end of Q1. WoundShare has been quite a market over the last 12 months. The announcement of the pricing drop for skin subs to $127 a square centimeter took a $14 billion space and gave it something on the order of a 95% haircut. Reported CMS billing for 2026 thus far bears this out. Clawbacks on past payments have sucked huge amounts of money out of the space, and this has put quite a few practitioners out of business. As many were users of both Ultramist and Allograft, this has had a profound effect on the health of our customer base. Their use systems coming up for sale stand testament to this. Hopes that 2027 might see a Skinsub reimbursement pricing rise were not met when CMS provided early guidance on this topic. We did get some positive news from the calendar year 2027 Hospital Outpatient Prospective Payment System proposed rule, released July 2nd, which proposes to increase reimbursement for Ultramist by 14% for 2027 when used in the hospital outpatient setting. A place of service that includes a number of our customers and has been an increasing focus for us. Then on July 14th, CMS calendar year 2027, physician fee schedule, who proposed the rule, was released. And obviously, this news is not as good. 97.610 was nominated as a mispriced code and changes to reimbursement suggested. If, and I really want to emphasize that this is still a proposed and not final rule, This rule were to go into effect, our read is that reimbursement for Ultramist would drop from its present $397 average to approximately $316 in 2027, with further reductions to follow in 2028. We disagree with a number of the assumptions CMS is using to arrive at these figures, and while getting into particulars is Not appropriate in this venue. Suffice it to say that both we and a great number of Ultramist users, both professional and academic, plan to participate in this comment period. Honestly, it's been gratifying to get such a significant inpouring of support and we'll make the most of it. Having a product that your users truly love and believe in and that is changing and saving patient lives and that provides profound savings to the overall system is a good place from which to start. I mean, just to take an example, diabetic foot ulcers are the number one cause of lower extremity amputations in the U.S. every year. With 130,000 such amputations and an estimated lifetime cost of over 600K per patient emerging from each, the cost to the system from ultramists are de minimis relative to the potential for savings, which are enormous. Its role in underserved rural markets has been particularly large as well. While SenuWave wholeheartedly supports CMS's goal of accurate, data-driven payment, our goal in this common period will be to ensure that the data that drives this decision is, in fact, both accurate and complete, and that it represents full practitioner costs and the systemic benefits of providing treatment under 97.610, which, of course, is the intent of these rules and of this system. The comment period runs through September 14th, and we expect a final rule to be announced in or around the first week of November. I mean, we wouldn't be the first company to get such a proposed rule overturned or reassessed, and we're going to try very, very hard to be the next one. We believe that there is a strong case to be made. In the meantime, we continue the longer-term push into indications like burn, hospital-acquired pressure injury, post-acute Hospital inpatient, hospital outpatient, pediatric, and long-term care facilities, both to expand the reach of our product and because such users tend to be sticky, long-term customers with high usage rates. These groups take longer to win over, but the groundwork we've laid over the last nine to 12 months is starting to bear some fruit here, and we're optimistic about continuing to make progress. With that, I'll now turn you over to Peter Sorensen, our CFO, who can walk you through the rest of our financials.
Peter Sorensen
Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Morgan. Revenue for the second quarter came in at $9.7 million, a decrease of 3% versus $10.1 million in the prior year quarter. Speaking directly to this decrease, the softness was concentrated in capital or system sales, while the recurring core applicator business held up well. Ultimate applicator revenue grew 13% year-over-year, with applicator unit volume up 27% year-over-year, reflecting continued strong demand across our active install base. Before turning to the financials in more detail, a brief update on the sales tax matter we discussed on prior calls and in our filings. We have now finalized voluntary disclosure agreements with a number of the applicable states and have begun remitting the amounts due under them. As we work through the remaining states, the VDA process continues to do what it is intended to do, limiting the look-back period and abating penalties in many jurisdictions. In several cases, final settlements have come in below the amounts we had previously accrued. We continue to push this to completion with our third-party tax advisors and expect to finalize the remaining agreements as responses come in. With that, let's take a closer look at the financial results for the quarter. Revenue for the three months ended June 30, 2026, totaled $9.7 million, a decrease of 3% compared to $10.1 million for the same period of 2025. The year-over-year decrease was driven by lower Ultraman System revenue, which declined approximately 34% to $2.3 million from $3.4 million. reflecting weaker capital sales amid financial pressure across the industry and increased availability of new systems in the market. This was partially offset by continued growth in consumables. Alternate applicator revenue, the recurring core of the business, grew approximately 13% year-over-year. On a reported basis, our consumables, parts, and accessories line, which is primarily applicators but also includes parts and other miscellaneous items, increased approximately 12% to $7.3 million from $6.5 million. Gross margin as a percentage of revenue for the three months ended June 30, 2026 with 76.2%, a decrease of approximately 183 basis points year-over-year from 78.1%. The decline was driven primarily by a shift in revenue mix toward consumables and away from higher margin system sales, together with lower average selling prices resulting from a higher mix of reseller or wholesale pricing. Operating loss for three months ended June 30, 2026, totaled $0.3 million, a swing of approximately $1.7 million compared to operating income of $1.4 million in the same period last year. That swing reflects roughly $0.4 million of lower gross margin and roughly $1.3 million of higher operating expenses. were $7.7 million compared to $6.4 million in the prior year quarter, an increase of approximately $1.3 million. By category, G&A expense increased approximately $0.5 million, sales and marketing increased approximately $0.2 million, R&D increased approximately $0.4 million as we continue to invest in product development, and depreciation and amortization increased approximately $0.1 million. Approximately 0.4 of that $1.3 million increase, roughly a third, with non-cash stock-based compensation spread across G&A, sales and marketing, and R&D. Within G&A, higher personnel costs, higher legal and professional fees, and higher bad debt expense together more than accounted for the increase. These were partially offset by an approximately $0.9 million favorable year-over-year swing in state and local sales tax as a prior year sales tax charge gave way to a net benefit this quarter from the resolution of our VDAs at amounts below previously accrued balances. Setting that sales tax benefit aside, the underlying increase in operating expense Reflects our continued investment in headcount, R&D, and commercial capabilities. Despite these increases, we remain focused on discipline cost management and expect operating leverage to improve as revenue scales. Net loss for the three months ended June 30, 2026 with $0.7 million compared to net income of $0.6 million for the same period in 2025. Year-over-year change was driven primarily by the swing in operating results I just described. Below the operating line, total other expense actually improved to $0.4 million from $0.9 million. Interest expense fell approximately $1.4 million year-over-year following our September 2025 refinancing with J.P. Morgan, partially offset by the recurrence of a $1 million non-cash gain on the change in fair value derivative liabilities recognized in the prior year quarter. EBITDA for the three months ended June 30, 2026 was positive $0.1 million. Adjusted EBITDA was positive $1.2 million compared to $3.2 million in the same period last year. The year-over-year decline reflects the lower operating results, including our continued investments in headcount, R&D, and commercial expansion. Total current assets amounted to $23.2 million as of June 30, 2026 versus $24.6 million as of December 31, 2025. Cash and cash equivalents totaled $9.4 million as of June 30, 2026. During the first half of the year, we made $2.9 million in scheduled principal payments on our term loan and remained in compliance with all covenants under a J.P. Morgan credit agreement. To summarize, the second quarter was a more challenging one on the top line with capital sales pressured by the industry environment. At the same time, the recurring core of our business continued to grow, our balance sheet liquidity remained sound, and we stayed disciplined on costs. We're grateful for the continued trust and support of our stakeholders. As we move through the balance of 2026, we remain focused on operational discipline, expanding adoption of Ultramis, and positioning Sanway for sustained profitable growth. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Morgan.
Morgan Frank
Chairman and CEO
Morgan Frank Thanks, Peter. So, with regard to guidance, we're going to adopt a cautious stance here and therefore owing both to Owing to market conditions, including the Medicare reimbursement developments discussed previously, SanuWave is withdrawing its previously issued fiscal year 2026 revenue guidance, which should no longer be relied upon. The company will not provide quarterly nor annual guidance until there is greater clarity on these topics and expects to reassess this after CMS publishes its final rule, which is anticipated in the fourth quarter of 2026. So as ever, I want to express my gratitude to the Sandy Wave team for all the hard work and the commitment and the trust and to our customers, especially, who have been so engaged and supportive. Thanks to all of you. And so that's it for prepared remarks. Leslie, can we please open it up to questions?
Leslie
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Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad now. To leave the queue at any time, Press star 2. Once again, that is star 1 to ask a question. We will pause for a moment to allow everyone a chance to join the queue. Our first question comes from Sean Westrope with Deep Cell Capital. Your line is now open.
Sean Westrope
Analyst, Deep Cell Capital
Hey, Morgan. How are you? Morning, Sean. Morning. Just wanted to ask on the kind of the breakdown on your customer side versus kind of like the for-profit, your kind of like your mobile wound care versus hospital and kind of like other like non, I guess, for-profit seeking businesses. What's kind of the breakdown between those two groups? and I'm not looking for an exact number.
Morgan Frank
Chairman and CEO
I understand the impulse. One of the reasons that we have been hesitant to provide that number with any real clarity is that it's a fuzzier topic than one might expect at first pass. We have a lot of customers whose models are hybrid and so, you know, who have kind of in, you know, who have brick and mortar facilities, who have mobile, some of which are, you know, are combinations of HOPD and mobile and like, you know, or, so it's a, the delineation's not as sharp as you might expect and so it's sort of difficult to, it's difficult to sort of size with any precision. I mean, the upshot is, yeah, we have obviously, you know, historically, there's been a lot of, we've done a lot of work in mobile. That tends to be the, that tends to be one of the larger use case, or has historically been one of the larger use cases for Ultramest. I mean, as we, you know, as we go forward with, you know, groups like Keologics and a number of our hospital customers, The complexion of that changes somewhat. These customers tend to be slower to ramp up, but kind of have that sort of super tanker momentum once they get going.
Sean Westrope
Analyst, Deep Cell Capital
Great. That makes sense. That makes sense. Thanks for that. If I could just ask one follow-up. You mentioned the kind of the numbers on the CMS reimbursement a little on what you think, what you guys think on the proposed side. I think it was like 397 down to 316. Can you just give us a little more color on how you're getting to the 316 number? And that would be helpful.
Morgan Frank
Chairman and CEO
Sure. In the proposed rule, it all sort of breaks down to what CMS calls RVUs, relative value units. And those are then multiplied by a conversion factor that gets you to the actual dollar value. So basically, you sum your RVUs. for work for practice expense. And for malpractice, you get a total RVU count. You then multiply that by a conversion factor, which we believe is going to be $3,284 in 2027. And so our understanding is that the proposed work RVU is $0.39. The practice expense RVU is $9.24. and the malpractice RVU is 0.01, which makes a fair bit of sense. I don't know if there's ever been a malpractice claim associated with Ultramyst. So that gets you to a total of 9.64. Our estimation is that gets you to a total of 9.64 RVUs. You then multiply that by the non-QP conversion factor of 32.8409 and that gets us to an estimate of 316.59 cents.
Sean Westrope
Analyst, Deep Cell Capital
Got it, got it. That was helpful. In terms of the process that you guys are going through to resubmit, is there any indications on when you will get any feedback on that, or is that just waiting until the final roll and you kind of hear that?
Morgan Frank
Chairman and CEO
Yeah, it's a complicated process. There's a 60-day comment period. Obviously, we're going to do things like seek a meeting with CMS and see what we can achieve that way. Both we and customers will submit comments. I believe that 60-day period ends on September 14th. And then the final rule will likely be announced in or around the first week of November. I don't think there's a hard and fast date for it, but traditionally that's been a very tight range.
Sean Westrope
Analyst, Deep Cell Capital
Great. Thanks a lot, Morgan. I'll get back in the queue.
Morgan Frank
Chairman and CEO
Thanks, Sean.
Leslie
Conference Operator
Thank you for your question. At this time, there are no further questions in the queue, and I will now turn our meeting back to Morgan Frank.
Morgan Frank
Chairman and CEO
Great. Well, thank you, Leslie, and thank you everyone for participating this morning, and we'll speak to you again next quarter.
Leslie
Conference Operator
Thank you. This brings us to the end of today's meeting. We appreciate your time and participation. You may now disconnect.